President Obama!

moreluck

golden ticket member
Re: Obamanomics

99 percent later and he will still be saying the same thing.

Via Beltway Confidential:
“Obviously, there is still more to do when it comes to reducing our debt,” Obama said in the video. “And I’m willing to do more, as long as we do it in a balanced way that doesnt put all the burden on seniors or students or middle class burdens but also asks the wealthiest Americans to contribute and pay their fair share.”
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Re: Obamanomics

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moreluck

golden ticket member
Re: Obamanomics

You know better than that. A growing economy always brings in more tax revenue. Everytime money changes hands in the marketplace, the government gets a piece.
You're assuming people have money !!! Hard for it to change hands when you have none!!
 

trickpony1

Well-Known Member
Re: Obamanomics

Businesses have nearly $2.5 trillion that they've been waiting to spend.

....so you're saying obama is entitled to that money so he can spread it around and share the wealth?
The obama supporters need to get in line now so they don't miss their share of free "obama money".
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Re: Obamanomics

No. I am saying what pro-growth, deficit hawk Republicans say. I would have thought you would have known that.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Re: Obamanomics

You know better than that. A growing economy always brings in more tax revenue. Everytime money changes hands in the marketplace, the government gets a piece.

And as the money transacts through the economy, in each transaction if the gov't takes a cut, then over time the gov't ends up with it all. What becomes the political theater is in deciding who is allowed for political favor to by-pass the gov't cut process which in effect lowers the public cost and by market intervention, those market inputs enjoy favored status. I found it interesting in the hysteria leading up to the so-called fiscal cliff that it was said without gov't action that a gallon of milk would rise to $7. Yet milk from so-called organic or non-pasteurized sources are already at that price and have been because they don't enjoy the same gov't subsidy. This market intervention has given rise to a huge Washington lobby with economic consequences far beyond just milk. Ending said subsidy would level the floor so to speak and then let actual markets determine what is best or that maybe milk itself is overinflated in importance to society as a whole.

The other part of this equation is that said favors are enjoyed at a point in the economic chain that favor both business and gov't and not always the claims of people they are out to help. Much screaming here about the people taking food stamps but rarely do any of these screamers ever look beyond and see how Corp. America ultimately end up with the dollars from food stamps and that food stamps were about them in the first place. If there was no food stamp program, who would mop up the excess surplus which in truth acts as a price support? Behind the appearance of charity are blood sucking fangs and one would be wise to remember that.

As to a continuous growth economy, could this really be a fiction we've been sold and bought? Jeremy Rifkin, a senior lecturer with the Wharton School of Business gave a lecture called, "Empathic Civilization" in which he demonstrated a very thought provoking idea. That is, what if $147 per barrel of oil is an absolute economic ceiling for growth? He points out how this ceiling occurred but also that in the future we may well see it again. Richard Heinberg, author of "The Party's Over" among others has raised serious questions about future oil production going forward and when you actually look at the industry's own production numbers and prediction models going forward, both Heinberg and Rifkin are making a point that the growth economy as we know it will hit a immovable wall if it's not already. Others argue that the economic state we are in using current economic theory and based on current resource availability is about what we will have going forward. Heinberg uses rare earth magnets as an example and how China, major principle source of these, controls this market but as of now, rare earth magnets may well be a diminishing resource so what happens for example to the cost of electrical generators going forward? The cost of power? Do we see a day when we invade China like we've invade the Middle East and Africa for resource control? What if continued economic growth requires it? What then?

As much as I'd like to say they are full of :censored2:, I also have to concede that they do have a point. That being the case, using an economic model of growth to project tax policy may in fact be faulty and therefore the end results be wrong, bad and maybe even horrific. I might also add that neither Heinberg nor Rifkin are what I would call libertarian/free market types so this is not about using 2 people to feed a personal bias. I would suspect both men to be a bit contrarian to the whole libertarian/free market ideal at least in the sense that it's so badly asserted amongst political circles and even often by many of it's own. But that's another thread I guess.

And where does money itself come into this growth model? All money that comes into existence does so by the means of the creation of a debt. I refer you to the Federal Reserve publication, "Modern Money Mechanics" among many others to assert that as fact. Being that money can only come into existence by means of debt creation, even this ultimately has a ceiling as we saw in 2008' when the private part of society had reached it's debt limit and could no longer keep the debt machine growing which is what primed the economic growth pump. Even the gov't admitted it was stepping in as the borrower of last resort because had they not, money in the form of Federal Reserve Notes would in due course dry up from circulation thus fueling the fear of all fears and that is deflation. Why do you think every time we hit the debt ceiling there is a crisis to increase it and regardless of the political theater by both sides, they always do increase it?

I do think there is an argument that the United States is at it's limit, both in debt and resources and we may bump along for a few more decades but in time it will become most evident to those willing to look. Hope I'm wrong, hope I'm badly wrong but I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy right now. Consumption based finance capitalism has run it's course, more and more people are understanding this and many are choosing means and methods to work around and beyond it. Where we end up is anyone's guess but I do think the age of growth has seen it's day. The nabobs who run this country are just serving themselves and feeding the rest of us fictional stories so we don't yet abandon the hampster wheels but at some point we will turn around behind us and see those free riders and begin to looks for the means and the way off said wheels. Fact is, it's already happening.

:peaceful:
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
The Obama Kiss of Death............

Lincolnton Furniture Company Closes One Year After Being Hailed By Obama As U.S. Job Creator 01/04/13 12:29 PM ET EST
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U.S. President Barack Obama shakes hands with Bruce Cochrane of North Carolina at a forum hosted by the White House on in-sourcing jobs in America on Wednesday, January 11, 2012. Cochrane, who is the owner and CEO of Lincolnton Furniture in North Carolina, was recently forced to close the small business. (Olivier Douliery/Abaca Press/MCT)











LINCOLNTON, N.C. -- A start-up North Carolina furniture company once celebrated as a sign of America's manufacturing rebound has closed, a year after its head was hosted by President Barack Obama.

Lincolnton Furniture Company was silent Friday, a day after shutting down. President Bruce Cochrane and other company officers did not return messages to The Associated Press.

Company financial officer Ben Causey said manufacturing operations were stopped indefinitely because orders were insufficient. He told The Charlotte Observer that only a few people would remain employed and the next steps were uncertain.

Lincolnton Furniture opened in December 2011 with 60 employees and plans to grow.
Obama last year invited Cochrane to a White House event on bringing overseas job back to America and he was a guest at the State of the Union address.
 

roadrunner2012

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Maybe if the Republicans hadn't decided to hold the economy hostage, more people would have been willing to buy hand made, high end furniture.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Gee,Pulaski Furniture (Highpoint NC.) has been in business for over 50 years.....maybe they didn't get the kiss 'o' death.

I have 2 Pulaski Curio cabinets.....best ever!!!
 

roadrunner2012

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Pulaski Furniture is a strategic marketing unit of Home Meridian International. HMI is a next-generation global design, sourcing and marketing company that ranks among the top 5 casegoods suppliers to US furniture retailers. Privately held, it is headquartered in High Point, NC and operates distribution centers on both coasts. It has offices in Dongguan and Shanghai China; Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam; and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Pulaski Furniture is a strategic marketing unit of Home Meridian International. HMI is a next-generation global design, sourcing and marketing company that ranks among the top 5 casegoods suppliers to US furniture retailers. Privately held, it is headquartered in High Point, NC and operates distribution centers on both coasts. It has offices in Dongguan and Shanghai China; Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam; and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
Headquartered where???

Where is it headquartered??

Seems I mentioned that little fact that it is headquartred in the USA in NC.
 
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