island1fox
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Good sign--- Looks like he knows it's very boring !
President Obama!
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BABA, in case you didnt know, and Im guessing you dont cause your always on the wrong side of the facts.. STATES have had the 50 employee requirement for many years. Here in california, employers have been dodging the state laws on healthcare for 2 decades.
If they are required to provide top coverage for employees with 50 or more employees, then they reduce to 48. Then, then fall into the next coverage levels which saves the employers money by offering inferior coverage.
No matter what the number of employees, the employers will ALWAYS try to get out of coverage.
What will be foced to happen is SINGLE PAYER as the corporations are making it easier to sell single payer as they eliminate coverage for employees while reducing wages.
You may not like single payer, but without realizing it, you are creating the scenario for this to happen by attempting to kill the ACA.
Employers in this country have been trying to get out of healthcare for 3 decades now. The creation of part time employees is nothing new to the american workforce.
In fact, corporations like fedex exploit the "independent contractor" to avoid taxes, healthcare and benefits. Many companies over the last 15 years will only hire people as independent contractors.
By cancelling coverage for employees, its now time to make mandatory coverage for all employees regardless of how many they employ. If prices go up, then only those businesses that will cut the CEO's pay to cover employees will survive.
Look at the ALbersons food chain. They have been closing stores and laying off employees for 10 years now, while the CEO was recieving raises of 5 to 8 million dollars a year. The Board ran the company into the ground, stealing huge profits in the form of ridiculous compensations, then sold the business after it was destroyed and then recieved GINORMOUS compensations for their actions.
http://www.nbcrightnow.com/story/50...while-37-store-closings-leave-workers-jobless
The giant salaries and bonuses could have been used for keeping the business alive and paying for employee benefits. Instead, the free market allows these bas-tards to get rich while ruining the lives of thousands of american workers.
Of course, its the republican way and its cool as long as none of you are affected by it.
TOS.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Vermont went to the single payer system a few years ago and thus far there has been little to no negative feedback.
island1fox
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Spin--Spin --Spin --some States had this --some had that etc etc.
Fact: Numerous responsible mid and small Business owners provided basic heathcare for their employees --fifty or whatever before the ACA.
The Federal Government Trumps State law --Obamacare MANDATES --the number of Employees fifty --and the number of hours that are legally defined as part time.
Employers with over 50 now must give all the bells and whistles --premium plans at premium prices.
They cannot afford it --therefore - extremely high percentages are preparing to drop all coverage --convert their business to part time supplementing the 49 locked in number of full-timers.
Sure --Obamacare not a full time job killer.
Oh --that's right --people are "choosing" to work less hours ???
Just setting up training Hospitals in poor Communities --to increase the number of Doctors and healthcare providers --and providing extremely affordable healthcare to the needy was not good enough .---Had to destroy the entire system --instead of a few fixes.
A family owned Sports bar in my community -provided free healthcare to all of its employees --the employee had the option to make a small monthly contribution if they wanted a Premium family plan--with a employer match.
Worked fine for over 60 years.
Now Obamacare mandates the employer must pay the full boat --Employer had over 6o people working full time --with tips and healthcare making between 65.000 and 75,000 a year.
Now adding 50 new part time jobs --greatly reducing hours --dropping all healthcare and reducing the earnings of the former fulltimers by over 50%.
Now they cannot support their families ---Nice job Obama --This is the reality across the country.
Why did Obama with his magic pen move the Employer mandate till after the November elections ???
Even better ---to be announced --Hillarys people are working with Obama-to use his magic pen to change the law again --postpone the Employer mandate till after the next Presidential election !!!
But of course --one or two people will still insist the ACA is a very good thing !!
Fact: Numerous responsible mid and small Business owners provided basic heathcare for their employees --fifty or whatever before the ACA.
The Federal Government Trumps State law --Obamacare MANDATES --the number of Employees fifty --and the number of hours that are legally defined as part time.
Employers with over 50 now must give all the bells and whistles --premium plans at premium prices.
They cannot afford it --therefore - extremely high percentages are preparing to drop all coverage --convert their business to part time supplementing the 49 locked in number of full-timers.
Sure --Obamacare not a full time job killer.
Oh --that's right --people are "choosing" to work less hours ???
Just setting up training Hospitals in poor Communities --to increase the number of Doctors and healthcare providers --and providing extremely affordable healthcare to the needy was not good enough .---Had to destroy the entire system --instead of a few fixes.
A family owned Sports bar in my community -provided free healthcare to all of its employees --the employee had the option to make a small monthly contribution if they wanted a Premium family plan--with a employer match.
Worked fine for over 60 years.
Now Obamacare mandates the employer must pay the full boat --Employer had over 6o people working full time --with tips and healthcare making between 65.000 and 75,000 a year.
Now adding 50 new part time jobs --greatly reducing hours --dropping all healthcare and reducing the earnings of the former fulltimers by over 50%.
Now they cannot support their families ---Nice job Obama --This is the reality across the country.
Why did Obama with his magic pen move the Employer mandate till after the November elections ???
Even better ---to be announced --Hillarys people are working with Obama-to use his magic pen to change the law again --postpone the Employer mandate till after the next Presidential election !!!
But of course --one or two people will still insist the ACA is a very good thing !!
island1fox
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Upstate,
I believe they are working on a plan that might have single payor by 2017 ---it is not in practice now.
A very small population and few Hospitals.
Facing some real challenges ----how to afford it --Control costs by lowering Doctor re-imbursement rates?? ---Doctors will move to other States ---Canada has had this problem for years --How many Canadian trained doctors are in the U.S. now?? Has left some areas in Large cities like Toronto with long waits and rationing --in a very low population Country compared to the U.S.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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I thought they had already gone to the single payer.
I do know that they are having a problem with treating heroin addicts.
I do know that they are having a problem with treating heroin addicts.
Your close enough, to the border....go get some treatment!...you know...stick removal!..or getting hit by a car treatment!....also heard,they give away....free Dislike buttons, instead of lollipops!
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Excuse me---Island and I were trying to have an adult conversation.
[quiote="UpstateNYUPSer, post: 1271927, member: 12570"]Excuse me---Island and I were trying to have an adult conversation.[/quote]
Maybe Island was.....If Island was talking to himself....and as for you....their is no excuse.....now go look left, right,left....beep beep...crash!..LOL
Maybe Island was.....If Island was talking to himself....and as for you....their is no excuse.....now go look left, right,left....beep beep...crash!..LOL
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
What's that like? Is that like being able to cross a street without holding an adult's hand? lol
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
Does teamcare cover stick removal?
MAKAVELI
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More lies by the faux propaganda machine. Employers do not have to pay the full premiums. How do I know? Because here at Fredex we pay more than $400 a month for our crap health plan. Nice try but try to get your facts straight next time bro.Spin--Spin --Spin --some States had this --some had that etc etc.
Fact: Numerous responsible mid and small Business owners provided basic heathcare for their employees --fifty or whatever before the ACA.
The Federal Government Trumps State law --Obamacare MANDATES --the number of Employees fifty --and the number of hours that are legally defined as part time.
Employers with over 50 now must give all the bells and whistles --premium plans at premium prices.
They cannot afford it --therefore - extremely high percentages are preparing to drop all coverage --convert their business to part time supplementing the 49 locked in number of full-timers.
Sure --Obamacare not a full time job killer.
Oh --that's right --people are "choosing" to work less hours ???
Just setting up training Hospitals in poor Communities --to increase the number of Doctors and healthcare providers --and providing extremely affordable healthcare to the needy was not good enough .---Had to destroy the entire system --instead of a few fixes.
A family owned Sports bar in my community -provided free healthcare to all of its employees --the employee had the option to make a small monthly contribution if they wanted a Premium family plan--with a employer match.
Worked fine for over 60 years.
Now Obamacare mandates the employer must pay the full boat --Employer had over 6o people working full time --with tips and healthcare making between 65.000 and 75,000 a year.
Now adding 50 new part time jobs --greatly reducing hours --dropping all healthcare and reducing the earnings of the former fulltimers by over 50%.
Now they cannot support their families ---Nice job Obama --This is the reality across the country.
Why did Obama with his magic pen move the Employer mandate till after the November elections ???
Even better ---to be announced --Hillarys people are working with Obama-to use his magic pen to change the law again --postpone the Employer mandate till after the next Presidential election !!!
Ill try to play nice, In the sandbox.....I said try!...lol
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If it's quality care, I wouldn't mind having doctors from India, Nicaragua, Japan, China, or even Canada.
upschuck
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If you can understand each other. I tend to ask a lot of questions, so would like correct answer to the questions I was asking.
