Presidential Candidates other than Obama

Buddybrown

Well-Known Member
Keep believing how the media interprets your own happiness.

The next time I need to determine my own happiness I'll take a poll or maybe call an organization called OECD (the one you quoted) headquartered in, of all places, France. LMAO!
 

brett636

Well-Known Member
Here we go again with misquotes from the second amendment and the intentions otherwise of the framers of the constitution.

I like when people who address the second amendment "extrapolate" 4 words out of a whole sentence and give it new meaning than the one originally intended.

We can argue this all day long, and I know the gun freaks will come out and defend guns and their rights to shoot their own family members or allow their kids to have direct access to the guns so they can go shoot up the local school, but thats not what I am addressing here.

What I would like to see from all GUN nuts is that you quote the second amendment. Not a portion of it, not a slice that makes your point sound legit, not a sliver that the NRA places on the back of their membership cards, BUT the entire sentence in the second amendment.

If you truly believe the second amendment supports your position on guns, then there should be ZERO reason to "extrapolate" 4 words out of it.

Here is what the second amendment says today. It has been modified many times since the constitution was written.

1)
As passed by the Congress:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


2) As ratified by the States:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The argument over meanings will continue for decades. The placement of periods is key to definition and the use of the words keep and bear play the biggest parts.

Either way, If youre going to quote the 2nd amendment, do it the way its intended.

History of the second amendment.

Meaning of "well regulated militia"
The term "regulated" means "disciplined" or "trained".[104] In Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that "[t]he adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."[105] Regarding a well regulated militia, Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist No. 29:
A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss.[46]
Regarding regulation and training of the militia, Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist No. 29:
"If a well regulated militia be the most natural defence of a free country, it ought certainly to be under the regulation and at the disposal of that body which is constituted the guardian of the national security...confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority...(and) reserving to the states...the authority of training the militia".[46]

Meaning of "the right of the People"The question is does a “right” attributed to “the people” in the 2nd Amendment differ from the “right” of “the people” peaceably to assemble in the First Amendment and the “right” of “the people” to be secure in the Fourth Amendment.
Justice Antonin Scalia in writing for the majority in District of Columbia v. Heller:
Nowhere else in the Constitution does a “right” attributed to “the people” refer to anything other than an individual right. What is more, in all six other provisions of the Constitution that mention “the people,” the term unambiguously refers to all members of the political community, not an unspecified subset. This contrasts markedly with the phrase “the militia” in the prefatory clause. As we will describe below, the “militia” in colonial America consisted of a subset of “the people”— those who were male, able bodied, and within a certain age range. Reading the Second Amendment as protecting only the right to “keep and bear Arms” in an organized militia therefore fits poorly with the operative clause’s description of the holder of that right as “the people[106]
Justice John Paul Stevens countered in the minority opinion:
When each word in the text is given full effect, the Amendment is most naturally read to secure to the people a right to use and possess arms in conjunction with service in a well-regulated militia. So far as appears, no more than that was contemplated. But the Court itself reads the Second Amendment to protect a “subset” significantly narrower than the class of persons protected by the First and Fourth Amendments; when it finally drills down on the substantive meaning of the Second Amendment, the Court limits the protected class to “law-abiding, responsible citizens”.[107]


Peace :peaceful:





I find it amusing that you would spend so much time debating a foregone conclusion. The supreme court has already ruled it an individual right. You lost this debate before you even began typing.
 
Are we talking about TOS or Baba (birth certificate)?
Ahhh, but you left out an important part of what Brett636 said.
I find it amusing that you would spend so much time debating a foregone conclusion. The supreme court has already ruled it an individual right. You lost this debate before you even began typing.
, this separates Tos's and Baba's posts.
 

over9five

Moderator
Staff member
I find it amusing that you would spend so much time debating a foregone conclusion. The supreme court has already ruled it an individual right. You lost this debate before you even began typing.
Wait for it! The Other Side will go to her usual fallback of how that was Bush's fault!
 
Did I leave it out or intentionally delete it so as to better fit my post?
Well, since the part that was left out is in the middle of the post, I would guess you had a reason for leaving it out. Since the part left out was an important part of his overall post, it should not have been left out. Only you know the true motive for the exclusion, the rest of us just have to speculate.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
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The Other Side

Well-Known Troll
Troll
Dont look now , but polling doesnt look good for this group of republican challengers.

Obama 51% Pawlenty 43% (+8)
Obama 51% Mitt Romney 36% (+15)
Obama 54%, Newt Gingrich 36% (+18)
Obama 56%, Sarah Palin 36% (+20)
Obama 56%, Michele Bachmann 35% (+21)
Obama 51%, Hermann Cain 30% (+21)

Gee, I wonder how FOXED SPEWS can have it so wrong?

Peace.
 

Lue C Fur

Evil member
Dont look now , but polling doesnt look good for this group of republican challengers.

Obama 51% Pawlenty 43% (+8)
Obama 51% Mitt Romney 36% (+15)
Obama 54%, Newt Gingrich 36% (+18)
Obama 56%, Sarah Palin 36% (+20)
Obama 56%, Michele Bachmann 35% (+21)
Obama 51%, Hermann Cain 30% (+21)

Gee, I wonder how FOXED SPEWS can have it so wrong?

Peace.


Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:

The latest Washington Post-ABC News poll found the public’s view of the domestic economy is getting worse and Americans increasingly are holding the president responsible. Uh-Oh!!!!!

The Post-ABC poll found that by a margin of 59 to 40 percent, Americans disapprove of the president’s handling of the economy, (Woooops!!!!) which remains the top issue for voters looking ahead to next year’s election. Uh-Oh!!!!

 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Try the "direction of the country" polls and you'll see that all will depend on the economy. Even a porcupine with a good economic plan could beat Obama. Obama's economic record stinks!!

CBS right direction 30.4% wrong direction 61.2%
ABC right direction 32 % wrong direction 60%
Rasmussen " " 28% " " 64%
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
The ABC poll from June 2-5 shows Obama with 46% and Romney with 49%......hmmmm.


(just shows that you can pick & choose any result you wish !!!) You denounced polls before, yt you want to flaunt one now......go figure!
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
The ABC poll from June 2-5 shows Obama with 46% and Romney with 49%......hmmmm.


(just shows that you can pick & choose any result you wish !!!) You denounced polls before, yt you want to flaunt one now......go figure!

And the difference between the 2 is?

Drumroll please................ta-da!
 
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