Thank you for this erudite observation of my circumstances. Mine will go down considerably. Yours may, too.
REAL CLEAR POLITICS..... polls and tracking!
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Thank you for this erudite observation of my circumstances. Mine will go down considerably. Yours may, too.
av8torntn
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That's an interesting point. So if we cannot count dimocrats as staunch dimocrats then we must not count Snowe, Collins, and McCain as staunch Republicans correct? The bottom line is I am correct and Obama had his filibuster proof Senate when he chose to do what he chose to do which was crush the middle class and he had a filibuster Senate when he got every dimocrat to vote for him. The record is clear and I understand why his supporters want to run from it but it is not 2008 and Obama is not some do nothing Senator any longer. He is the do nothing for the middle class President now. That's his record.
I'm square to upper middle class and I work for UPS(my wife does not) and my health care costs have gone up significantly since this bill has passed.
From July 7 2009 to September 25 2009 the republicans could not stop anything. In the House they were even shut out of the amendment process on a regular basis.
Obviously, you dont understand the filibuster process. Of course you think you do.. but what else is new.
""In understanding the filibuster process, you need to know
that it takes 60 votes to kill a filibuster. Said another way, a minority party
must have 41 votes to sustain a filibuster and avoid cloture. When a party
has 41 members, all they have to do is threaten filibuster in order to bring the
Senate to a halt. In the modern era, filibusters are, in reality, simply
threats to filibuster and not Mr-Smith-Goes-to-Washington-type-speeches.
Since the filibuster can only be sustained with 41 votes, my methodology is to
credit the minority party holding the 41st vote with the filibusters""
The democrats do not have a 60 vote majority in the senate and it only takes 41 votes to sustain a filibuster. This is how you screw america. 41 republicans stopping progress and keeping american unemployed.
Peace
TOS
apples to oranges my dear, apples to oranges. To compare Romney to Reagan is quite a stretch, even for the most die hard fox spews person.
peace
TOS
av8torntn
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Why can't you share your magic?
Today, your beloved FOX SPEWS and the entire right wing radio network attempted to "play down" the new polling data as nothing to worry about. Brett Baer tried to talk down the polls asking his audience to disregard polls and pay attention to message.
Pretty funny stuff.
I find it hilarious how those same media outlets worship polls when they are in the lead, and then when they are not, they ask people to look the other way. That "relic" brit hume tried to calm the faithful down about polling in his best attempt at damage control, but even they know what they are doing on the air 24/7 isnt having any political effect.
For ChittsNgiggles, more new polls were released today and it aint good for the fox crowd.
Up to 2.9% average, more coming out tonight and tomorrow morning. The dial is now going into the right direction!
Peace
TOS
av8torntn
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You do realize you just described yourself?
Ok chittsNgiggles, here are new polling averages for today....
OBAMA goes to +3.1 and Romney begins to fade. You better "pray"that Romney doesnt screw up in the debates like he did during the GOP debates before he had to cancel all appearances in debates because he was doing so badly. The more he opened his mouth in the GOP debates, the worst his polling went, and with these upcoming debates, you will probably need to cross your fingers and toes and pray that Romney doesnt get chewed up and spit out on national tv.
Peace, out.
TOS
Because I have no magic, just truths, and I can tell by your word choices that you are not interested in truths.
More bounce, more bounce, more bounce....
Romney campaign has a three prong strategy to boost their standings: the Ryan pick, the Convention and the debates. Ryan got him nothing and their convention was flat. The fact that he is not a good debater leaves them with no other option but to rely on voter suppression.
av8torntn
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So the truth is that for the rest of America health care costs are rising but in some magical sphere surrounding you they are declining?
av8torntn
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Looks like he is about to regain the losses to Romney but how is that a bounce now and it wasn't for Romney? Also can we use your super math skills and exclude the ABC poll and have Romney at plus 8? You never really explained how that worked.
Are you like the only guy in american who thinks Romney got a bounce after his convention?? Everyone so far has concluded... NO, but not you. What ground did he lose to Romney?
It was tied for about 30 secs....only because of the Rassmussen polls which shows a plus +4.. if not, Romney would have still been a negative coming out of the GOP convention.
tell me where you saw Romney get a bounce outside of the Rassmussen poll?
peace
TOS
moreluck
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I heard an explanation that one of the polls is heavily weighted with calls to an inordinate number of Democrats.
Some polls are only a samping of 600 or less people....hardly makes an election!!
Of course, you'd have to go to each separate poll website and read the small print.
I'm hoping with the polls like they are, Dems. just say, well he doesn't need any help from me and they stay home on Nov 6th.
Some polls are only a samping of 600 or less people....hardly makes an election!!
Of course, you'd have to go to each separate poll website and read the small print.
I'm hoping with the polls like they are, Dems. just say, well he doesn't need any help from me and they stay home on Nov 6th.
av8torntn
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Well the thing about polling is that they try to predict voter turnout. These guys spend lots of effort trying to figure it out so you normally give more credit to polls that are of likely voters versus registered voters. Rasmussen was one of the more accurate polls last Presidential cycle but they all give weight to one group or another. I'd be suspicious of any poll that had a very small amount of "independent" voters this early in the process. One of the big problems will be that in this cycle the independents appear to be swinging heavily toward Romney so this will cause an early oversampling of democrats. In the end the national polls do not really mean much. You have to pay attention to the swing state polls and honestly not much effort will be put into those this early in the process outside of the campaigns themselves and we won't see those.
av8torntn
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I think you possibly answered your own question but what about a President at war? How do they do?
BrownArmy
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We haven't been at 'war' since the 1940's.
