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[Thebrownblob]

No.
I do answer like this all the time.
You believe the point of salvation is at belief. I don't believe these scripture teach that.

I don’t know that I’ve ever said that, but I’m not even certain that I believe that myself. Certainly, you have to believe, but the devil believe in him too So that’s not enough I do believe if you confess with your tongue, you Can be saved.

Romans 10-13

9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[friend]

 

[BrownFlush]

I don’t know that I’ve ever said that, but I’m not even certain that I believe believe that myself. I do believe if you confess with your tongue, you Can be saved.

Romans 10-13

9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[friend]

He was talking to people who were already Christians. The church at Rome. He was not telling them how to become a Christian.
This confession was really in the way they lived and spoke, how to take care of sin once you are a Christian.
The had already "called" on the Lord the same way everyone did like Paul had called "And now .Why do you wait, arise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.- Acts 22:16

 

[Thebrownblob]

He was talking to people who were already Christians. The church at Rome. He was not telling them how to become a Christian.
This confession was really in the way they lived and spoke, how to take care of sin once you are a Christian.
The had already "called" on the Lord the same way everyone did like Paul had called "And now .Why do you wait, arise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.- Acts 22:16

Right now I’m confused. Do you believe baptism is absolutely Necessary? Or that’s God’s choice ultimately?

 

[BrownFlush]

Right now I’m confused. Do you believe baptism is absolutely Necessary? Or that’s God’s choice ultimately?

I believe the Bible teaches that baptism is absolutely necessary for the remission of sins, to be saved, to be added to the church, to be in Christ, to come into contact with the blood of Christ, to be where all spiritual blessings are, to wash away ones sins.
Have scripture and comment for each of these if you like. But, gotta roll.

God has already chose before he made the world, that the act of obedience called baptism was to do all the above. My responsibility is to believe the teaching and obey what God said saves a person.
Judgement Day is his deal.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I believe the Bible teaches that baptism is absolutely necessary for the remission of sins, to be saved, to be added to the church, to be in Christ, to come into contact with the blood of Christ, to be where all spiritual blessings are, to wash away ones sins.
Have scripture and comment for each of these if you like. But, gotta roll.

God has already chose before he made the world, that the act of obedience called baptism was to do all the above. My responsibility is to believe the teaching and obey what God said saves a person.
Judgement Day is his deal.

I think you left some Wiggle room, which I also believe.

 

[BrownFlush]

I think you left some Wiggle room, which I also believe.

God will grant clemency to whoever he wants.
But, if you're counting on that instead of simply believing and obeying what he said in his will to do, have at it.
Jesus said , " Not everyone who says to me, Lord ,Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. But, he that does his will of my Father will enter.''
I'm not getting the same feeling of wiggle room you are. I'm gonna just do it.

 

[FromOffTheStreets]

The disciples were never baptized for their conversion after Jesus rose. If this was mandatory for salvation, i think it would have been mentioned. In Many other instances neither the disciples or Paul mention baptism for the conversion, only repentance.
BF finds only the instances where baptism is included because his group wants that control.
Baptism is an important symbol of what is happening in a persons life, but it is not salvific.

 

[Thebrownblob]

God will grant clemency to whoever he wants.
But, if you're counting on that instead of simply believing and obeying what he said in his will to do, have at it.
Jesus said , " Not everyone who says to me, Lord ,Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. But, he that does his will of my Father will enter.''
I'm not getting the same feeling of wiggle room you are. I'm gonna just do it.

No, I would certainly agree. It would be much wiser to be baptized. But I don’t think it’s a hard and fast rule to go to heaven I do believe he will make the final choice. It’s an issue I have with too much Legalism doesn’t leave room for Jesus.

An instance where baptism might not be necessary is a deathbed confession, and acceptance of Christ. It seems to me that the person that lived their life poorly suffered throughout his life and didn’t have Christ throughout his walk, but through Grace and mercy, That person can still be saved. This is not my recommendation. I’m just saying it’s highly possible.

 

[oldngray]

No, I would certainly agree. It would be much wiser to be baptized. But I don’t think it’s a hard and fast rule to go to heaven I do believe he will make the final choice. It’s an issue I have with too much Legalism doesn’t leave room for Jesus.

An instance where baptism might not be necessary is a deathbed confession, and acceptance of Christ. It seems to me that the person that lived their life poorly suffered throughout his life and didn’t have Christ throughout his walk, but through Grace and mercy, That person can still be saved. This is not my recommendation. I’m just saying it’s highly possible.

A classic example is the thief on the cross

 

[BrownFlush]

A classic example is the thief on the cross

There are a few reasons why the thief is not a good example for how the NT teaches one to be saves.
1) Jesus good forgive sin to anyone, anytime, anywhere where he walked on the earth.
2) The thief died under the Law of Moses. He couldn't be held accountable to the law of Christ until it was first preached 50 days later.
No one today can be saved like ''the thief on the cross.''

 

[BrownFlush]

After hearing Peter’s sermon in Acts 2, they knew they had killed the Messiah.
In verse 37 they ask what must they do to be saved. Peter says..
1) Nothing! God loves everyone and will save you no matter what you believe!
2) Nothing! I know now you believe that Jesus is God’s son. That’s all you have to do! If you like, say a prayer later and ask him to come into your heart.
3)Nothing, brothers! We’re all Jews and under the law of Moses!
4)Nothing! You can be saved like the thief on the cross! When you figure that out, let us know!
5) Repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins!

 

[BrownFlush]

No, I would certainly agree. It would be much wiser to be baptized. But I don’t think it’s a hard and fast rule to go to heaven I do believe he will make the final choice. It’s an issue I have with too much Legalism doesn’t leave room for Jesus.

An instance where baptism might not be necessary is a deathbed confession, and acceptance of Christ. It seems to me that the person that lived their life poorly suffered throughout his life and didn’t have Christ throughout his walk, but through Grace and mercy, That person can still be saved. This is not my recommendation. I’m just saying it’s highly possible.

Wise baptism is not found in the NT. If it is, please show me.
A baptism that is found is one that remits sin and saves I’ve shared those passages.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Wise baptism is not found in the NT. If it is, please show me.
A baptism that is found is one that remits sin and saves I’ve shared those passages.
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[Thebrownblob]

Wise baptism is not found in the NT. If it is, please show me.
A baptism that is found is one that remits sin and saves I’ve shared those passages.

And you also admitted he will make the final decision shattering your legalistic Interpretation of the scriptures.

If in fact, God is sovereign and will do as he pleases there’s really no need to squabble. Not in disagreement about what would be the best way to live and serve Christ. Not everyone Who’s going to heaven will do that.

 

[Integrity]

The ordinance of water baptism, is awesome but it adds nothing to the finished work of Christ.

The finished work of Christ means the work of Christ on our behalf for us is finished and if it is finished, we cannot add anything to it.

In the new covenant, we have direct access to God, through Christ and something has been accomplished in Christ, so that we can have direct access and we don’t need to convince God, by one sacrifice, God has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

This is for all who believe.

 

[BrownFlush]

And you also admitted he will make the final decision shattering your legalistic Interpretation of the scriptures.

If in fact, God is sovereign and will do as he pleases there’s really no need to squabble. Not in disagreement about what would be the best way to live and serve Christ. Not everyone Who’s going to heaven will do that.

You never offer any scripture to discuss. Just what you feel. This time I’m a legalist. If working out of scripture to find out what I need to do obey him, I am.
Squabble? You’ve thrown enough garbage at me that’s more than a squabble.
I have put out what the Bible teaches and why I believe it you and have been attacking me ever since.
Believe it Don’t believe it. But, you do not have the ability to have an honest discussion with the Bible if someone doesn’t agree with what you think.

“The words I have spoken will judge you on the last day “. “ Obedience to those words is what I’m counting on.

 

[Integrity]

You never offer any scripture to discuss. Just what you feel. This time I’m a legalist. If working out of scripture to find out what I need to do obey him, I am.
Squabble? You’ve thrown enough garbage at me that’s more than a squabble.
I have put out what the Bible teaches and why I believe it you and have been attacking me ever since.
Believe it Don’t believe it. But, you do not have the ability to have an honest discussion with the Bible if someone doesn’t agree with what you think.

Will you admit @BrownFlush that it is possible that your take and explanation of what the Bible says may be wrong?

 

[Thebrownblob]

You never offer any scripture to discuss. Just what you feel. This time I’m a legalist. If working out of scripture to find out what I need to do obey him, I am.
Squabble? You’ve thrown enough garbage at me that’s more than a squabble.
I have put out what the Bible teaches and why I believe it you and have been attacking me ever since.
Believe it Don’t believe it. But, you do not have the ability to have an honest discussion with the Bible if someone doesn’t agree with what you think.
“The words I have spoken will judge you on the last day “. “ Obedience to those words is what I’m counting on.

You accuse me of not using any scripture when I use your own words? Give me the scripture that says he will decide if someone can go to heaven or not if they’re not baptized? This is kind of silly, but I guess this is the way you’d like to play the game.
You’re really touchy when you get called out on an inconsistency with your doctrine. Even though you said it not me I just agree with it.

 

[BrownFlush]

You accuse me of not using any scripture when I use your own words? Give me the scripture that says he will decide if someone can go to heaven or not if they’re not baptized? This is kind of silly, but I guess this is the way you’d like to play the game.
You’re really touchy when you get called out on an inconsistency with your doctrine. Even though you said it not me I just agree with it.

Just quit.
You can’t do it

 

[BrownFlush]

Will you admit @BrownFlush that it is possible that your take and explanation of what the Bible says may be wrong?

Absolutely. Show in the scripture and I’ll repent, make things right, and teach it different. I want to go to heaven.