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[Doublestandards]

Missouri voted it down with a deep red majority.

Analysis: 86% of Republican Counties in Missouri Voted Against Right-to-Work

Key Findings: More Missouri voters cast ballots in the Proposition A referendum to approve or reject “right-to-work” than voted for a candidate for U.S. Senate. The pro-union gap was 20…

illinoisupdate.com

That’s voting to not enact it in the first place. I’m talking about removing from the states that already have it, often which are constitutional and have been in place since the 40s and 50s.

Appreciate the article though, cool to see the people rejected it. To me though that kind of shows the disparity between the Republican lawmakers at the current time with Republican workers on this issue

 

[Thebrownblob]

That’s voting to not enact it in the first place. I’m talking about removing from the states that already have it, often which are constitutional and have been in place since the 40s and 50s.

Appreciate the article though, cool to see the people rejected it. To me though that kind of shows the disparity between the Republican lawmakers at the current time with Republican workers on this issue

It works the exact same way. Matter fact, that was the second time they tried to pass right to work in Missouri and it was voted down in the state that voters are hard right.

 

[Doublestandards]

It works the exact same way. Matter fact, that was the second time they tried to pass right to work in Missouri and it was voted down in the state that voters are hard right.

So you’re saying all the other states that currently have right to work, the voters are able to vote and decide whether they want to continue keeping it?

I didn’t think that was the case, but if you can show me something different I’ll be happy to admit I was wrong

 

[Thebrownblob]

So you’re saying all the other states that currently have right to work, the voters are able to vote and decide whether they want to continue keeping it?

I didn’t think that was the case, but if you can show me something different I’ll be happy to admit I was wrong

Depends on the state. But most states do not have it in their constitution. It’s just adopted.

Right-to-work law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Missouri legislature passed a right-to-work bill in 2017, but the law was defeated in a 2018 referendumbefore it could take effect

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

True, but the government also shouldn’t impede with union membership, like the way Republican states enact “right to work laws”

Um, you have some twisted logic here.
You want the government to impede in favor of unions, you need to get your narrative straight.

 

[Doublestandards]

Um, you have some twisted logic here.
You want the government to impede in favor of unions, you need to get your narrative straight.

You support right to work laws?

If you don’t want to pay union dues, don’t work a union job

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

You support right to work laws?

Do you?
You just said you dont think the government should intervene. That tells me you support right to work.

 

[Doublestandards]

Do you?
You just said you dont think the government should intervene. That tells me you support right to work.

The government shouldn’t give the people the option to not pay union dues at a union job

Our union said themselves the goal of right to work laws is to bankrupt unions

Why is it so hard for you to say you don’t agree with right to work laws? You had no problem disagreeing with anti union laws before you went full maga

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

True, but the government also shouldn’t impede with union membership

The government shouldn’t give the people the option to not pay union dues at a union job

So you've changed your mind, and you have now decided you do think the government should intervene in this issue?

Oooookaaay.

 

[vantexan]

Well they would have to flip their state from Republican to Democrat majority to do that. I’m not sure if they’re able to vote directly on just that issue?

Michigan was the first state in 60 years to overturn right to work, and it’s because they flipped from a Republican majority to a Democrat

Listen to what you're saying. They'll have to flip their state. Of course. That's the democratic process. Majority rules. You seem to think it's unfair that you don't get what you want in a state where the majority wants something else. Seems that's often the case that liberals think they should get their way even if they're in the minority. And if they can't get their way then they want to change the rules. Stack SCOTUS, create new states, import millions of potential voters. All about getting your way.

 

[Doublestandards]

So you've changed your mind, and you have now decided you do think the government should intervene in this issue?

Oooookaaay.

If the government is going to intervene, which they have, I would rather them strengthen unions rather than weaken them, yes. And you’ve made clear you support the opposite

 

[Doublestandards]

Listen to what you're saying. They'll have to flip their state. Of course. That's the democratic process. Majority rules. You seem to think it's unfair that you don't get what you want in a state where the majority wants something else. Seems that's often the case that liberals think they should get their way even if they're in the minority. And if they can't get their way then they want to change the rules. Stack SCOTUS, create new states, import millions of potential voters. All about getting your way.

Yeah, if a state is supporting something I don’t agree with, I’m going to voice my concerns about it. Remember that 1st amendment you mentioned earlier?

I believe strongly in unions and want them to grow all over the country. And you should too. A rising tide raises all ships

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

So you've changed your mind, and you have now decided you do think the government should intervene in this issue?

Oooookaaay.

If the government is going to intervene, which they have, I would rather them strengthen unions rather than weaken them, yes.

Well thank you for admitting you like to talk out of both sides of your mouth.

Carry on.

 

[Doublestandards]

Well thank you for admitting you like to talk out of both sides of your mouth.

Carry on.

 

[vantexan]

Yeah, if a state is supporting something I don’t agree with, I’m going to voice my concerns about it. Remember that 1st amendment you mentioned earlier?

I believe strongly in unions and want them to grow all over the country. And you should too. A rising tide raises all ships

Unions should be on a case by case basis. If a company is highly profitable but pushes their employees to accept low pay and few benefits then by all means form a union. If a company has very low profit margins and employees want unsustainable pay and benefits, then no. Unions were a major factor in companies relocating overseas. Those right to work states make it possible for manufacturing to come back and provide good, much needed jobs. If companies abuse those protections then voters can backtrack.

 

[Doublestandards]

Unions should be on a case by case basis. If a company is highly profitable but pushes their employees to accept low pay and few benefits then by all means form a union. If a company has very low profit margins and employees want unsustainable pay and benefits, then no. Unions were a major factor in companies relocating overseas. Those right to work states make it possible for manufacturing to come back and provide good, much needed jobs. If companies abuse those protections then voters can backtrack.

This is bootlicker nonsense. We’re talking about right to work states, which teamsters has said “goal is to bankrupt unions”, and you are defending it

Again, if you don’t want to be a part of a union job, don’t work a union job, don’t be a freeloader

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

which teamsters has said

The teamsters whose president spoke at the Republican national convention?

 

[vantexan]

This is bootlicker nonsense. We’re talking about right to work states, which teamsters has said “goal is to bankrupt unions”, and you are defending it

Again, if you don’t want to be a part of a union job, don’t work a union job, don’t be a freeloader

I've never had a union job and am retired now. Can't imagine the Teamsters saying anything else. But if you think every job should be unionized and all companies can afford to pay a lot more with great benefits but are just greedy, then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the real world. Some companies absolutely should be unionized but not most.

 

[Doublestandards]

I've never had a union job and am retired now. Can't imagine the Teamsters saying anything else. But if you think every job should be unionized and all companies can afford to pay a lot more with great benefits but are just greedy, then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the real world. Some companies absolutely should be unionized but not most.

When did I say every job should be unionized? I just don’t believe you should have the choice to work a union position and not pay dues

 

[vantexan]

When did I say every job should be unionized? I just don’t believe you should have the choice to work a union position and not pay dues

I said unions should be on a case by case basis and you called me a bootlicker. Out of curiosity are the Teamsters being threatened by right to work policies at UPS?