religion

[Integrity]

May you meet God in actual experience and not just in religion.

 

[vantexan]

May you meet God in actual experience and not just in religion.

We will meet God on Judgement Day.

 

[Integrity]

We will meet God on Judgement Day.

When is Judgement Day?

 

[vantexan]

When is Judgement Day?

1 Thessalonians 5:2

 

[Integrity]

@tourists24,

So you know, although you see, I verbally joust with certain individuals about certain religious topics and thoughts I do take my spiritual life very seriously. I see more Pharisees in them than I see Christ.

I admit, sometimes I say confusing things. I do not in any way, mean or think myself to be worthy to even tie the sandals of my Lord Jesus, but I do believe he lives in me spiritually, and I also understand that things he said were very confusing to the established religion of his day such as the Pharisees. I do believe that some of the confusing things I say, are confusing to these individuals on this site because they lean towards the thought and religion of the Pharisees and not religion of a living Christ.

That is between them and God, or in their case between them and the Bible.

I want you aware that my viewpoint of the Bible is this:

I believe the Bible is not an end in itself, but a means to bring men to an intimate and satisfying knowledge of God, that they may enter into Him, that they may delight in His presence, may taste and know the inner sweetness of the very God himself in the core and center of their hearts.

These thoughts of mine have been codified in the written manuscripts that have been accumulated, selected, and decided upon to be used as religious doctrine by previous church leadership, ultimately to end up in the Holy Bibles that we see on the shelves of bookstores and online and it’s various iterations.

Religion and religious writings can be and are very useful in my spiritual life. But apart from God, himself in the Holy Spirit moving in through and acting upon all of creation, they might as well be Mad Magazine. The Holy Spirit within is the necessary component, the person who can lead one to understanding, not our intellect or understanding of a book. I suspect their unbelief in the Holy Spirit‘s residence in the believer is what hinders them.

 

[Integrity]

1 Thessalonians 5:2

I am not a Biblical Fundamentalist so this answer means nothing to me for the sake of this discussion.

If that’s how you wanna answer just forget I even asked the question.

 

[Thebrownblob]

@tourists24,

So you know, although you see, I verbally joust with certain individuals about certain religious topics and thoughts I do take my spiritual life very seriously. I see more Pharisees in them than I see Christ.

I admit, sometimes I say confusing things. I do not in any way, mean or think myself to be worthy to even tie the sandals of my Lord Jesus, but I do believe he lives in me spiritually, and I also understand that things he said were very confusing to the established religion of his day such as the Pharisees. I do believe that some of the confusing things I say, are confusing to these individuals on this site because they lean towards the thought and religion of the Pharisees and not religion of a living Christ.

That is between them and God, or in their case between them and the Bible.

I want you aware that my viewpoint of the Bible is this:

I believe the Bible is not an end in itself, but a means to bring men to an intimate and satisfying knowledge of God, that they may enter into Him, that they may delight in His presence, may taste and know the inner sweetness of the very God himself in the core and center of their hearts.

These thoughts of mine have been codified in the written manuscripts that have been accumulated, selected, and decided upon to be used as religious doctrine by previous church leadership, ultimately to end up in the Holy Bibles that we see on the shelves of bookstores and online and it’s various iterations.

Religion and religious writings can be and are very useful in my spiritual life. But apart from God, himself in the Holy Spirit moving in through and acting upon all of creation, they might as well be Mad Magazine. The Holy Spirit within is the necessary component, the person who can lead one to understanding, not our intellect or understanding of a book. I suspect their unbelief in the Holy Spirit‘s residence in the believer is what hinders them.

That’s all very nice, but I think the keyword you said these were “your thoughts”. Then you go on to say you don’t think you are worthy to tie the sandals of Jesus Christ, who you claim as your Lord and savior. And then you castigate @vantexan as some sort of fundamentalist. When Jesus Christ himself said….. “I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak”


Is it fundamentalist to believe Jesus own words if you’re a follower of his?

 

[Integrity]

That’s all very nice, but I think the keyword you said these were “your thoughts”. Then you go on to say you don’t think you are worthy to tie the sandals of Jesus Christ, who you claim as your Lord and savior. And then you castigate @vantexan it’s some sort of fundamentalist. When Jesus Christ himself said….. “I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak”

Do you view yourself as a Biblical Fundamentalist ?

When is judgment day?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Do you view yourself as a Biblical Fundamentalist ?

when is judgment day?

No, I don’t, I’m a biblical realist

Judgment day, is whenever he decides. But he certainly said there will be one.

 

[Integrity]

Would you say your understanding of God is through the lens of the ideology of Christian Realism?

I also agree there will be a judgement day.

Based upon your reply you don’t actually know when judgement day is or will be then correct?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Would you say your understanding of God is through the lens of the ideology of Christian Realism?

I also agree there will be a judgement day.

Based upon your reply you don’t actually know when judgement day is or will be then correct?

Some Christians like to use judgment day like a hammer to scare other people I don’t believe it should be used that way, although I do think people should be aware. And I believe reading the Bible and using it as your guide for what you shouldn’t do to be judged poorly would be a wise idea.

I believe the Bible says it is appointed unto Man to die and then judgment. So clearly those two things are going to happen to us at some point.

But once again, it’s always about you asking questions and never actually giving your real position. I don’t have to explain my position very much because my position is in that book. Makes it quite easy for people to understand as opposed to you who just has it in your head and can change it whenever you want. And then also say the Holy Spirit told you something completely opposite of what the Bible says which once again makes whatever religion you are you’re very own.

 

[oldngray]

Some Christians like to use judgment day like a hammer to scare other people I don’t believe it should be used that way, although I do think people should be aware. And I believe reading the Bible and using it as your guide for what you shouldn’t do to be judged poorly would be a wise idea.

I believe the Bible says it is appointed unto Man to die and then judgment. So clearly those two things are going to happen to us at some point.

But once again, it’s always about you asking questions and never actually giving your real position. I don’t have to explain my position very much because my position is in that book. Makes it quite easy for people to understand as opposed to you who just has it in your head and can change it whenever you want. And then also say the Holy Spirit told you something completely opposite of what the Bible says which once again makes whatever religion you are you’re very own.

There are 2 judgements. One for believers and another for those who rejected Christ. (Judgement seat of Christ and great white throne judgement)

 

[Integrity]

Some Christians like to use judgment day like a hammer to scare other people I don’t believe it should be used that way, although I do think people should be aware. And I believe reading the Bible and using it as your guide for what you shouldn’t do to be judged poorly would be a wise idea.

I believe the Bible says it is appointed unto Man to die and then judgment. So clearly those two things are going to happen to us at some point.

But once again, it’s always about you asking questions and never actually giving your real position. I don’t have to explain my position very much because my position is in that book. Makes it quite easy for people to understand as opposed to you who just has it in your head and can change it whenever you want. And then also say the Holy Spirit told you something completely opposite of what the Bible says which once again makes whatever religion you are you’re very own.

I understand. Your answer is you don’t know when judgement day is, no more than the other guy who can’t answer the same question.

 

[Integrity]

There are 2 judgements. One for believers and another for those who rejected Christ. (Judgement seat of Christ and great white throne judgement)

I have heard these teachings from various biblical fundamentalist for years.

Do you view yourself as a biblical literalist or fundamentalist if you prefer that term?

Since you’re bringing 2 judgments in now, when are these two judgment days?

 

[Thebrownblob]

I understand. Your answer is you don’t know when judgement day is, no more than the other guy who can’t answer the same question.

Does it matter when it is, or does it matter that it is?

 

[oldngray]

I have heard these teachings from various biblical fundamentalist for years.

Do you view yourself as a biblical literalist or fundamentalist if you prefer that term?

Since you’re bringing 2 judgments in now, when are these two judgment days?

Why does it matter to you?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Why does it matter to you?

Correct if you give him biblical scripture, he will just tell you you might as well not bother. The Holy Spirit told him something different.

 

[Integrity]

Why does it matter to you?

It doesn’t, forget I asked.

 

[Integrity]

Correct if you give him biblical scripture, he will just tell you you might as well not bother. The Holy Spirit told him something different.

Is bearing false witnesses as you have done here a sin?

I love the Bible. I always have.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Is bearing false witnesses as you have done here a sin?

If I had had then, yes, but since I’m not no, it’s exactly what you told @vantexan.