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[Integrity]

What deflection? What personal item did I say? I asked you a question. What false teaching do I believe? I gave you very detailed answers. And then asked you a question that you didn’t answer. My guess is you and I agree on quite a few things just a small number of things that we may not, that really aren’t not the most important things.
If you believe people won’t go to heaven because there’s an infinite number of Bible scholars who disagree on end times eschatology. Then maybe just you’re going to heaven? These Bible scholars spend a lifetime on the subjects. And like I said, I find them interesting and useful to keep you aware that the end is coming, no matter what you feel. The end is or when you feel it might be.

I unlike @Integrity Believe Doctrine is important, but it isn’t the most important thing.

I too believe the Bible is important. I just don’t believe it is the most important thing.

It can be very useful in a religious/spiritual life.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I too believe the Bible is important. I just don’t believe it is the most important thing.

We know.

 

[Integrity]

We know.

I thought you said something different.
Glad you know.

 

[BrownFlush]

What deflection? What personal item did I say? I asked you a question. What false teaching do I believe? I gave you very detailed answers. And then asked you a question that you didn’t answer. My guess is you and I agree on quite a few things just a small number of things that we may not, that really aren’t not the most important things.
If you believe people won’t go to heaven because there’s an infinite number of Bible scholars who disagree on end times eschatology. Then maybe just you’re going to heaven? These Bible scholars spend a lifetime on the subjects. And like I said, I find them interesting and useful to keep you aware that the end is coming, no matter what you feel. The end is or when you feel it might be.

I unlike @Integrity Believe Doctrine is important, but it isn’t the most important thing.

No you didn't. You danced all around it.

So, if you see and recognize a passage in scripture that refutes a doctrine(teaching )no matter the subject, you believe, you will not change/admit your belief/conviction was wrong, because Bible Scholars spend lifetimes studying the Bible and you're going with them? The scripture was written for common people to understand and come to clear conclusions. Not division.

If Matthew 24:34 does not destroy your belief or at least make you begin to think the doctrine of premillennialism is wrong, then either there are 2000 year old people walking around or the Jesus came back and we missed it.( which will be impossible)

Everything before verse 34 in Matthew 24 is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem. You said:

True and false.

"And Elijah came near to all the people and said, “How long will you go limping between two different opinions?" -1 Kings 18:21

The story is certainly about what happened at the temple but also what is going to happen in the future and to be ready at All times because you do not know when. The whole meaning of that chapter is a history lesson and a warning.

Yes, be ready at all times. For the second coming. This is the teaching that begins in verse 36. Not in verse 3. Why? Because unlike the destruction of Jerusalem, there will be no warnings, no signs.
The signs and warnings that were to portend the fall of Jerusalem have universally been taken by premillennialists as being the identifying marks of the "end time." For some reason, eschatology holds a fatal fascination for those "scholars".
In every book that comes off the presses from the hand of a self-styled "prophecy expert" you will find numerous references to Matthew 24 that are wrong. Like you, they always fail to acknowledge the transition verse.

You say what difference does it make? One of a zillion different false teachings of the doctrine is that we all will get a second chance. Uh-Oh...When Jesus comes he will take vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Thess. 1:8).
Peter says the physical universe will be torched when the Lord returns and Paul says Jesus will not set foot on the earth again. Judgement day will begin.
You can't have it both ways.

 

[Thebrownblob]

No you didn't. You danced all around it.

So, if you see and recognize a passage in scripture that refutes a doctrine(teaching )no matter the subject, you believe, you will not change/admit your belief/conviction was wrong, because Bible Scholars spend lifetimes studying the Bible and you're going with them? The scripture was written for common people to understand and come to clear conclusions. Not division.

If Matthew 24:34 does not destroy your belief or at least make you begin to think the doctrine of premillennialism is wrong, then either there are 2000 year old people walking around or the Jesus came back and we missed it.( which will be impossible)

Everything before verse 34 in Matthew 24 is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem. You said:

"And Elijah came near to all the people and said, “How long will you go limping between two different opinions?" -1 Kings 18:21

Yes, be ready at all times. For the second coming. This is the teaching that begins in verse 36. Not in verse 3. Why? Because unlike the destruction of Jerusalem, there will be no warnings, no signs.
The signs and warnings that were to portend the fall of Jerusalem have universally been taken by premillennialists as being the identifying marks of the "end time." For some reason, eschatology holds a fatal fascination for those "scholars".
In every book that comes off the presses from the hand of a self-styled "prophecy expert" you will find numerous references to Matthew 24 that are wrong. Like you, they always fail to acknowledge the transition verse.

You say what difference does it make? One of a zillion different false teachings of the doctrine is that we all will get a second chance. Uh-Oh...When Jesus comes he will take vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Thess. 1:8).
Peter says the physical universe will be torched when the Lord returns and Paul says Jesus will not set foot on the earth again. Judgement day will begin.
You can't have it both ways.

Didn’t dance around it. I didn’t say, what difference does it make. Everyone knows you’ll be the first piece Of crap in hell, so I’m really not worried about your opinion.

Didn’t dance around at all did I?

 

[BrownFlush]

Didn’t dance around it. I didn’t say, what difference does it make. Everyone knows you’ll be the first piece Of crap in hell, so I’m really not worried about your opinion.

Didn’t dance around at all did I?

Pitiful.
You're still dancing.

Do you really believe that if you’re 100% right and I’m 100% wrong on this issue, one of us won’t go to heaven? I don’t , These things are not as important as you make them out to be. Although I agree they are interesting. Certainly they are put there for us to have be aware, which is also a sign. I’m grateful for that.

As @tourists24 mentioned, end times doctrine has 1000 different beliefs. But it is not a main and plain item necessary for salvation. if it is a lot of people are not going to heaven.

This quote doesn't say "what difference does it make?

 

[Thebrownblob]

No you didn't. You danced all around it.

So, if you see and recognize a passage in scripture that refutes a doctrine(teaching )no matter the subject, you believe, you will not change/admit your belief/conviction was wrong, because Bible Scholars spend lifetimes studying the Bible and you're going with them? The scripture was written for common people to understand and come to clear conclusions. Not division.

If Matthew 24:34 does not destroy your belief or at least make you begin to think the doctrine of premillennialism is wrong, then either there are 2000 year old people walking around or the Jesus came back and we missed it.( which will be impossible)

Everything before verse 34 in Matthew 24 is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem. You said:

"And Elijah came near to all the people and said, “How long will you go limping between two different opinions?" -1 Kings 18:21

Yes, be ready at all times. For the second coming. This is the teaching that begins in verse 36. Not in verse 3. Why? Because unlike the destruction of Jerusalem, there will be no warnings, no signs.
The signs and warnings that were to portend the fall of Jerusalem have universally been taken by premillennialists as being the identifying marks of the "end time." For some reason, eschatology holds a fatal fascination for those "scholars".
In every book that comes off the presses from the hand of a self-styled "prophecy expert" you will find numerous references to Matthew 24 that are wrong. Like you, they always fail to acknowledge the transition verse.

You say what difference does it make? One of a zillion different false teachings of the doctrine is that we all will get a second chance. Uh-Oh...When Jesus comes he will take vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Thess. 1:8).
Peter says the physical universe will be torched when the Lord returns and Paul says Jesus will not set foot on the earth again. Judgement day will begin.
You can't have it both ways.

Do you honestly believe anyone believes your bloviating nonsense as if you some sort of Bible scholar? You’re 100% white trash. You’re exactly what your name suggests a turd that should be flushed. An unrepentant know it all who will split the gates of hell wide open. I think I’ll take my chances with all the people who don’t know what they’re talking about instead of listening to you.
Stick to the mindless memes it’s what you’re good at.

 

[BrownFlush]

Do you honestly believe anyone believes your bloviating nonsense as if you some sort of Bible scholar? You’re 100% white trash. You’re exactly what your name suggests a turd that should be flushed. An unrepentant know it all who will split the gates of hell wide open. I think I’ll take my chances with all the people who don’t know what they’re talking about instead of listening to you.

Sorry you went personal.
I really expected better.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Sorry you went personal.
I really expected better.

I give better to people that deserve it. Not a unrepented racist jackass like you. Go back to your hole I’ve told you this before. You’re a disgrace to Christianity. I would tell you to repent, but I know that’s a waste of time. You’re a know it all.

Been great dancing with you.

 

[BrownFlush]

How it began...

Hmmm in Matthew 24 he does say no one will know the date and time and I agree with that, but he does seem to say there will be signs that it is close.

How it ended...

Do you honestly believe anyone believes your bloviating nonsense as if you some sort of Bible scholar? You’re 100% white trash. You’re exactly what your name suggests a turd that should be flushed. An unrepentant know it all who will split the gates of hell wide open. I think I’ll take my chances with all the people who don’t know what they’re talking about instead of listening to you.

Sorry you went personal.
I really expected better.

I give better to people that deserve it. Not a unrepented racist jackass like you. Go back to your hole I’ve told you this before. You’re a disgrace to Christianity. I would tell you to repent, but I know that’s a waste of time. You’re a know it all.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I wonder what cult @BrownFlush is part of? Certainly seems to warps one’s brain.

 

[Thebrownblob]

How it began...

How it ended...

Thanks, for the play-by-play Cletus. Now get back to the little girls you have in the basement.

 

[Integrity]

Didn’t dance around it. I didn’t say, what difference does it make. Everyone knows you’ll be the first piece Of crap in hell, so I’m really not worried about your opinion.

Didn’t dance around at all did I?

 

[tourists24]

For whatever it’s worth, I’ve taken the last 24 hours to just delve into rapture lesson and re and re reading Matthew 24 and I’m still not understanding another view against pre trib preaching. I will always look into other belief lessons from those who don’t think the same way as long as I feel it’s a genuine discussion from other brothers and sisters in Christ. The verses below are the ones I found in my searching so far. Feel free to add any I miss:

John 11:25—John14:3—John 21:20-23—Mark 13:32—Luke 12:35-40—1Corinthians 15:51-55 and 16:22—1Thessal 1:10 and 3:13—2Thessal 2:1-3—Hebrews 9:24-28—1Peter 1:3-5—2Peter 3:3-4——- and Titus 2:11-14

 

[tourists24]

My understanding is Jesus actually gave us 2 commandments.

Do you believe in following the 10 Commandments from the OT? Is it sin if you don’t?

 

[oldngray]

For whatever it’s worth, I’ve taken the last 24 hours to just delve into rapture lesson and re and re reading Matthew 24 and I’m still not understanding another view against pre trib preaching. I will always look into other belief lessons from those who don’t think the same way as long as I feel it’s a genuine discussion from other brothers and sisters in Christ. The verses below are the ones I found in my searching so far. Feel free to add any I miss:

John 11:25—John14:3—John 21:20-23—Mark 13:32—Luke 12:35-40—1Corinthians 15:51-55 and 16:22—1Thessal 1:10 and 3:13—2Thessal 2:1-3—Hebrews 9:24-28—1Peter 1:3-5—2Peter 3:3-4——- and Titus 2:11-14

There are other arguments with valid points but in my opinion pre trib has the strongest case.

 

[Integrity]

Do you believe in following the 10 Commandments from the OT? Is it sin if you don’t?

The law found in the 10 Commandments is found in the two Commandments.

 

[tourists24]

There are other arguments with valid points but in my opinion pre trib has the strongest case.

Same here. Admittedly I’ve had pre trib overkill learning from a young age. As I get more involved in my walk now I still believe that but have decided no matter what I will wait with eyes upward for Jesus when it’s time

 

[oldngray]

Same here. Admittedly I’ve had pre trib overkill learning from a young age. As I get more involved in my walk now I still believe that but have decided no matter what I will wait with eyes upward for Jesus when it’s time

I wasn't taught that growing up but after study came to believe it.

 

[Integrity]

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