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A pt supe told us that when he does bargaining unit work he gets his salary plus (what would be) his current hourly rate for the time.
Ups has a plan in place to replace us if we end up striking.
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The Union may be weaker than in 1997, but UPS is not in the position they were either, in 1997. A strike would be far worse for UPS now...
-In 1997 UPS did not had not gone public with their stock yet. Can you imagine what a strike would do to the stock price both short and long term? UPS was able to set the stock price back then. I imagine a looming strike today would send the stock down 30%, and an actual strike perhaps 50%+. The stock would not recover for at least a year, unless the Union was completely illiminated.
-In 1997 our competitors were far less equipped to handle our volume. RPS/Fed-Ex ground had barley achieved nation-wide coverage, and if I remember correctly RPS was not even delivering residentials (or perhaps a few). Fed-Ex today would poach all the best customers by offering the full array of services nationwide without the threat of a strike...ever. Imagine how Amazon would react. We would lose customers permanently since Fed-Ex can now do it all.
-In 1997 the unemployment rate was lower. Plus I believe the workforce has become less enthusiastic about long hours. Part timers would not cross, they would simply get a job at Amazon or somewhere else, for the same, or better money.
I imagine the cost of a strike to UPS would have to be measured in billions (or tens of billions) rather than hundreds of millions, this time around.
Both sides lose big in a strike. Even bigger given today's circumstances.
-In 1997 UPS did not had not gone public with their stock yet. Can you imagine what a strike would do to the stock price both short and long term? UPS was able to set the stock price back then. I imagine a looming strike today would send the stock down 30%, and an actual strike perhaps 50%+. The stock would not recover for at least a year, unless the Union was completely illiminated.
-In 1997 our competitors were far less equipped to handle our volume. RPS/Fed-Ex ground had barley achieved nation-wide coverage, and if I remember correctly RPS was not even delivering residentials (or perhaps a few). Fed-Ex today would poach all the best customers by offering the full array of services nationwide without the threat of a strike...ever. Imagine how Amazon would react. We would lose customers permanently since Fed-Ex can now do it all.
-In 1997 the unemployment rate was lower. Plus I believe the workforce has become less enthusiastic about long hours. Part timers would not cross, they would simply get a job at Amazon or somewhere else, for the same, or better money.
I imagine the cost of a strike to UPS would have to be measured in billions (or tens of billions) rather than hundreds of millions, this time around.
Both sides lose big in a strike. Even bigger given today's circumstances.
PT Car Washer
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The company will get the raise back in more productivity and a more stable work force. Plus the company can dump a lot of the Art 22.3 jobs that pay 3 times the current starting rate for the same job. The only reason the company agreed to the combo jobs is because they can not fill the PT jobs at $10/hr.
In recent contracts the union has refused to let the membership vote on a contract with signing bonuses. Any
can figure out even 10 cents more an hour beats any bonus over the life of a 5 year deal.
CoolStoryBro
Well-Known Member
The plan is to issue enormous bonus' to management then sell UPS to Amazon for pennies on the dollar. They call it "Operation friend All Y'all."
badpal
Well-Known Member
Might be some truth to that. You can bet Jeff Bezos has a plan in place.
badpal
Well-Known Member
They just about have too, over the years the part timers were the farm system for future drivers, We need to attract good people there.
CanOSup
One of them
Thats what I am wondering...If you look at many strikes from other companies in the past, its from reducing wages, cutting jobs by as much as 75% etc...What is it that is so egregious it has the FT workforce up in arms?
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Frankie's Friend
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Need better personnel in the HR level that hires as well. Seen some cattle buyers in that position for too many years.
Working conditions, harassment, pension , part time wages. To name a few.
Hostess wanted to close down. They was worth more by selling off the brand names. The union offered big concessions.
CanOSup
One of them
You are a Twinkie....no doubt
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Frankie's Friend
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To list a few:
Reduction of benefits
Excessive overtime
Harassment
Filthy work conditions
Pension reform
- Most of the above result because the company (you) on a daily basis totally disregards the contract(s) that you agreed to.
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Frankie's Friend
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We have pt timers going into driving with less than a yrs seniority. Wonder why that is.
CanOSup
One of them
Sir,
Dont assume you know me or my compliance to the contract. I ask the question because it seems foreign to me as the environment I work in is overwhelmingly positive.
Dont lump me in with others and I wont do the same to you.
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Frankie's Friend
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I didnt see this until i posted. We all agree.
trickpony1
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It's easy to be "overwhelmingly positive" when you have all the control but none of the responsibility and the drivers have all the responsibility but none of the control.
Google "double bind stress"...it's the "damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario" that drivers seem overwhelming subjected to. BTW, it has been shown to cause anxiety and depression.
