Vaccine mandate

[tadpole]

Then you never really knew me or understood what I am about.

Do these same anti-vaxers extend anybody the same courtesy you expect from me?

Hopefully as a "tadpole" you can become a frog one day?

You label us anti-vaxers and we are being blamed, excluded, threatened. It isn't easy to take this position. It loses you friends, puts all your plans and aspirations in jeopardy. We still choose not to get these shots for many different reasons, but we who aren't getting it can all agree something is fishy.

If people have been rude to you over this, I'm sorry. Everyone has the right to their opinions, and I wish all these conversations we could learn about the others perspective and be respectful. I personally am on edge and not in a good mental state, worrying about will I keep my job and will I have to move and will my kids be free. So when I hear the news, I sometimes yell with all my might, THATS BS! When I am told I can't do this or that because I don't have a vax card, yeah, I'm mad as hell. So it feels like those who disagree with us are our enemies.

I respected your opinions because it was clear you were for helping and protecting your union brothers. You really educated a lot of us with solid info.
I believe you're wrong about the vaccines but that I can live with. It's just I feel constantly belittled by your posts and don't feel like you care about helping or protecting certain union members such as myself, who are being discriminated against. Which I get it... You trust Fauci, and that's what CNN is saying is right. It's just so frustrating... we're at a standstill, never going to change each others minds and we have incompatible views.

All I want is to not have to wear a mask and not have to vaxx. Same for my kids. If you are cool with that then I'm cool with you.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

....and how often is that likely to be the case....99 out of a 100 being wrong?

That is the crusp of your half baked theories and highly unlikely.

You don't have a real situation where 99 out 100 agree on something, so what's your point? Which of "my theories" are half baked? You admitted you lack the resources to be in a position to make such a claim. You've been beaten, tap out already, I feel bad destroying your delusions so thoroughly. Good bye.

 

[Bubblehead]

It is horrifying how quickly people forget where totalitarianism leads.

....and again the science is gone from his argument, as he shifts gears to making it political.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

....and again the science is gone from his argument, as he shifts gears to making it political.

You admitted you lack the resources to judge the merits of "the science". Nothing else you say means anything. You've been beaten.

 

[UnionStrong]

You label us anti-vaxers and we are being blamed, excluded, threatened. It isn't easy to take this position. It loses you friends, puts all your plans and aspirations in jeopardy. We still choose not to get these shots for many different reasons, but we who aren't getting it can all agree something is fishy.

If people have been rude to you over this, I'm sorry. Everyone has the right to their opinions, and I wish all these conversations we could learn about the others perspective and be respectful. I personally am on edge and not in a good mental state, worrying about will I keep my job and will I have to move and will my kids be free. So when I hear the news, I sometimes yell with all my might, THATS BS! When I am told I can't do this or that because I don't have a vax card, yeah, I'm mad as hell. So it feels like those who disagree with us are our enemies.

I respected your opinions because it was clear you were for helping and protecting your union brothers. You really educated a lot of us with solid info.
I believe you're wrong about the vaccines but that I can live with. It's just I feel constantly belittled by your posts and don't feel like you care about helping or protecting certain union members such as myself, who are being discriminated against. Which I get it... You trust Fauci, and that's what CNN is saying is right. It's just so frustrating... we're at a standstill, never going to change each others minds and we have incompatible views.

All I want is to not have to wear a mask and not have to vaxx. Same for my kids. If you are cool with that then I'm cool with you.

Especially since the ‘vaccine’ is useless

 

[zubenelgenubi]

You label us anti-vaxers and we are being blamed, excluded, threatened. It isn't easy to take this position. It loses you friends, puts all your plans and aspirations in jeopardy. We still choose not to get these shots for many different reasons, but we who aren't getting it can all agree something is fishy.

If people have been rude to you over this, I'm sorry. Everyone has the right to their opinions, and I wish all these conversations we could learn about the others perspective and be respectful. I personally am on edge and not in a good mental state, worrying about will I keep my job and will I have to move and will my kids be free. So when I hear the news, I sometimes yell with all my might, THATS BS! When I am told I can't do this or that because I don't have a vax card, yeah, I'm mad as hell. So it feels like those who disagree with us are our enemies.

I respected your opinions because it was clear you were for helping and protecting your union brothers. You really educated a lot of us with solid info.
I believe you're wrong about the vaccines but that I can live with. It's just I feel constantly belittled by your posts and don't feel like you care about helping or protecting certain union members such as myself, who are being discriminated against. Which I get it... You trust Fauci, and that's what CNN is saying is right. It's just so frustrating... we're at a standstill, never going to change each others minds and we have incompatible views.

All I want is to not have to wear a mask and not have to vaxx. Same for my kids. If you are cool with that then I'm cool with you.

Don't worry about that stuff. If you are smart enough to question the mainstream narrative, you are capable of taking care of your family without this job. Fear not.

 

[Bubblehead]

You label us anti-vaxers and we are being blamed, excluded, threatened. It isn't easy to take this position. It loses you friends, puts all your plans and aspirations in jeopardy. We still choose not to get these shots for many different reasons, but we who aren't getting it can all agree something is fishy.

If people have been rude to you over this, I'm sorry. Everyone has the right to their opinions, and I wish all these conversations we could learn about the others perspective and be respectful. I personally am on edge and not in a good mental state, worrying about will I keep my job and will I have to move and will my kids be free. So when I hear the news, I sometimes yell with all my might, THATS BS! When I am told I can't do this or that because I don't have a vax card, yeah, I'm mad as hell. So it feels like those who disagree with us are our enemies.

I respected your opinions because it was clear you were for helping and protecting your union brothers. You really educated a lot of us with solid info.
I believe you're wrong about the vaccines but that I can live with. It's just I feel constantly belittled by your posts and don't feel like you care about helping or protecting certain union members such as myself, who are being discriminated against. Which I get it... You trust Fauci, and that's what CNN is saying is right. It's just so frustrating... we're at a standstill, never going to change each others minds and we have incompatible views.

All I want is to not have to wear a mask and not have to vaxx. Same for my kids. If you are cool with that then I'm cool with you.

I am speaking specifically to a few talking heads in this thread (pretty much just for the sport of it), to those who think they have it all figured out?

I definitely don't have it all figured out and likely wont without hindsight.

In the end I am baffled that you and these talking heads continue to look straight past the fact that you (and your kids) have never been required to take a vaccine and the proposed mandates so far continues to give you the option to test weekly if you chose not to vaccinate?

These purposed mandates are only designed to push forward the procrastinators and those on the fence.

But make no mistake, I have no love for self-inflicted martyrs.

....and in the end I could care less if you or your children have to endure the inconvenience of periodically wearing a mask (nobody really enforces it anyway) and know I have always believed you will never be required to take a vaccine in today's America ever (too much potential liability).

 

[tadpole]

I am speaking specifically to a few talking heads in this thread (pretty much just for the sport of it), to those who think they have it all figured out?

I definitely don't have it all figured out and likely wont without hindsight.

In the end I am baffled that you and these talking heads continue to look straight past the fact that you (and your kids) have never been required to take a vaccine and the proposed mandates so far continues to give you the option to test weekly if you chose not to vaccinate?

These purposed mandates are only designed to push forward the procrastinators and those on the fence.

But make no mistake, I have no love for self-inflicted martyrs.

....and in the end I could care less if you or your children have to endure the inconvenience of periodically wearing a mask (nobody really enforces it anyway) and know I have always believed you will never be required to take a vaccine in today's America ever (too much potential liability).

I don't want to be a martyr. I don't want to and shouldn't have to be subjected to testing when I am healthy and no less a threat than someone who is fully boosted.
I can't participate in other things I love to do because no vax id. I am worried about the future because all signs point to further discrimination. And there really is no end in sight. They told us that if 70% got vaxxed then we'd be through with this but it is just as bad as it's ever been. Where I live it's well above 70% but we have mask mandates, they will threaten to close even a private school down if they don't make the kids mask up. Cmon! How many healthy kids have died of this? And I really believe the masks don't work and are harmful. My body lets me know it's not good because I feel like crap after wearing it. So homeschooling or moving away is the only option if I don't want my kids to have to mask.

I don't see this ending until people stop complying. Increasing the vax % really hasn't seemed to help so far, why focus so much on it, while ignoring and pushing back against remedies and treatments that have clear signals that they make a big difference, that we already know are safe?
Censorship is rampant on the topic.

I appreciate you for staying you don't have it all figured out yet and I will say the same for myself. I see now you are not trying to be an antagonist but are simply pushing back against ideas you disagree with.

Guys, let's all try to be more respectful of others we disagree with. If you wear 2 masks and gloves while alone outside, that's your choice to be extra careful, I'm sure you are trying to protect vulnerable people. You're doing what you think is right.
If you won't take the shot or wear the mask, you must have your reasons why you believe that is the right choice for yourself. You are trying to protect our precious freedom.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

The majority of this community has chosen to tap out of this thread dominated by an ever shrinking handful of outer fringe

You realize you're the fringe zealot right?

Most of America has moved on from this covid cult and is living their life like normal. I really feel sorry for you people that are still obsessing about it.

 

[quad decade guy]

....and again the science is gone from his argument, as he shifts gears to making it political.

Can "science" be political? You bet. Fauci is a political animal.

You don't think the DIMS are using Covid as a political WEAPON? Allowing manipulations of elections......

The herding and manipulation is in broad daylight.

The very same tactics used the world over by the communist/Nazi's/socialist regimes....propaganda. And failing that...at the point of a gun. No? Look around. Want to travel...nope. Eat? Nope. Go to the local Lowe's? Nope. Local grocery store? Nope...

See?

 

[quad decade guy]

I don't want to be a martyr. I don't want to and shouldn't have to be subjected to testing when I am healthy and no less a threat than someone who is fully boosted.
I can't participate in other things I love to do because no vax id. I am worried about the future because all signs point to further discrimination. And there really is no end in sight. They told us that if 70% got vaxxed then we'd be through with this but it is just as bad as it's ever been. Where I live it's well above 70% but we have mask mandates, they will threaten to close even a private school down if they don't make the kids mask up. Cmon! How many healthy kids have died of this? And I really believe the masks don't work and are harmful. My body lets me know it's not good because I feel like crap after wearing it. So homeschooling or moving away is the only option if I don't want my kids to have to mask.

I don't see this ending until people stop complying. Increasing the vax % really hasn't seemed to help so far, why focus so much on it, while ignoring and pushing back against remedies and treatments that have clear signals that they make a big difference, that we already know are safe?
Censorship is rampant on the topic.

I appreciate you for staying you don't have it all figured out yet and I will say the same for myself. I see now you are not trying to be an antagonist but are simply pushing back against ideas you disagree with.

Guys, let's all try to be more respectful of others we disagree with. If you wear 2 masks and gloves while alone outside, that's your choice to be extra careful, I'm sure you are trying to protect vulnerable people. You're doing what you think is right.
If you won't take the shot or wear the mask, you must have your reasons why you believe that is the right choice for yourself. You are trying to protect our precious freedom.

Dear friend,

Politeness and civility are not hallmarks of the left.(see below)...

Matter of fact......(please please) excuse the analogy.....

You are being treated and considered as in the holocaust. Think of those terms. Far fetched? I don't think so. Communists/Socialists killed hundreds of millions in the name of manipulation and outcome. You are being labeled as trouble. An outsider....papers being required for easy identification....how about someone no mask in a sea of masks? Belittled on Tik Tok?

Come February....your job will be threatened.

You will not be allowed to go about your business like an Amish.

Democrats are being led by Communists...the left. They have the Govt and the press.

 

[BigGuy2732]

When they try, then I am morally justified in defending myself. You don't can't convert through force, and we aren't called to murder or vanquish people who disobey God. Vengeance belongs to the Lord.

So you will raise your children without the faith? Can’t force it on em, right?

Without force, A lot of Europe wouldn’t have been Christian, and we have Charlemagne to thank for helping Western Civ become what it became. He would knock on your door and say become Christian or we will slaughter your entire kingdom. There is more grace attached to freely assenting to the true faith, but compulsory worship saves souls too. That’s why society was built and ordered around God, and there were consequences for engaging in immoral behavior that offended God. This American idea of freedom of religion is gay, dude. Completely stupid and the men who came up with it are all burning in Hell.

 

[FromOffTheStreets]

Read it again, I covered oil changes.

I think we finally understand each other.

This particular pandemic hasn't made people rush their cars to the mechanic. It's a simple oil change that most people can deal with on there own, yet it's being treated by mechanics & car manufacturers like " you must get this oil change every 500 miles from one of our mechanics or we will impound your car."

 

[Analbumcover]

Wear a stupid masks, wash your hands the right way and distance yourself from others. Maybe then can we avoid any mandates

 

[sailfish]

I used to really look forward to reading whatever you had to say, whenever you weighed in on any ups or union topic. Really respected you...but I've got you on ignore now. It's cool if you think the vaccines are working. But lay off of those who chose differently than you or are not in a place where they feel they can trust the vaccines at this point. We are all trying to get by the best we can, and do what we think is best for ourselves and our families.

Union forums must be slow lately.

 

[tadpole]

Dear friend,

Politeness and civility are not hallmarks of the left.(see below)...

Matter of fact......(please please) excuse the analogy.....

You are being treated and considered as in the holocaust. Think of those terms. Far fetched? I don't think so. Communists/Socialists killed hundreds of millions in the name of manipulation and outcome. You are being labeled as trouble. An outsider....papers being required for easy identification....how about someone no mask in a sea of masks? Belittled on Tik Tok?

Come February....your job will be threatened.

You will not be allowed to go about your business like an Amish.

Democrats are being led by Communists...the left. They have the Govt and the press.

I sort of agree but I believe most of the masses are good people even if they support socialist policies to an extent. And it doesn't do us any favors to insult them, even if it is in response to them insulting us.
Some of us fear that the left is ruining everything. Some of them feel like the right is ruining everything. We need these good people to wake up, and I don't see that happening when we're at each others throats.

 

[Analbumcover]

They’re not mine.
They are available.
I chose to take them. So did every member of my family. None of us had any side affects. None of us have gotten covid. Brain mass in tact.
Nobody we know has had any side affects from the shot.
It’s not a cure. It’s a vaccine. It’s a preventative measure.

And the majority of people I know have had adverse side effects or gotten sick from Covid again, including my parents who are fully vaccinated and boosted breakthrough cases with no comorbidities.

You can see why I'm a bit skeptical.

True, it is your choice to take them or not take them, but please don't try to say that facing either a vaccination or the loss of your livelihood, or in some extreme cases, the relocation of your family to "quarantine centers" is not anything other than government coercion, especially when this is a virus with a 99% survival rate. That is not victim mentality. That is government coercion and overreach, plain and simple.

It's easy to "choice away" the explanation when you took the vaccine and have faced no adverse side effects, health, socially or otherwise.

I hate to see what happens to this country if we get blasted with a real pandemic of some sort of highly virulent and deadly nipah virus.

 

[MyTripisCut]

You realize you're the fringe zealot right?

Most of America has moved on from this covid cult and is living their life like normal. I really feel sorry for you people that are still obsessing about it.

If having “moved on” is living life daily on the internet consuming fictional narratives and being unopened to anyone else’s opinion makes someone else a zealot than you’ve finally posted something we can all agree with.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

If having “moved on” is living life daily on the internet consuming fictional narratives and being unopened to anyone else’s opinion makes someone else a zealot than you’ve finally posted something we can all agree with.

What fictional narrative?

 

[MyTripisCut]

What fictional narrative?

Merry Christmas pal. And Happy New Year.