Voting Starts Next Week! How will you vote and why.

[Jackofnotrades]

Looks like I will fall into the 22.4, Tuesday thru Saturday. I am okay woth this because it gives me the one day to bring my daughter to school Monday morning. I started the job a bit late so my pension will really not even come into play. I won't go down in pay from 30.77 down to what ever that starting wage of 20 something an hour. Also the Saturday will be a bit less stressful because of the lack of traffic,schools zones and the so very kind bullies from Monday thru Friday. Gives at least one day of a bit less stress. The one thing I don't understand is, why didn't the shop Stewart's ever set up a meeting to go over the Master with the part time employees before or after the shift just to explain to them the contract so they can get more involved with voting.? Don't get me wrong, I voted NO yesterday. Family sticks with family. Also, I blindly voted even though I have not seen the new Master.

 

[Jackofnotrades]

They're going to raise prices anyway. Look at the charges they add to oversize and heavy packages now. $600 extra for over seventies packages.

Don't let these idiots tell you that we're gonna price ourself out of the business because of our labor costs. We are pricing ourselves out of business because of greed and that's it.

Record profits. Record revenue.

And the IBT master minds want to send our surepost volume to the competition.

Corruption abounds.

We have to raise the prices. Especially when we are unloading king size beds and 10 ft surf boards. Packages that say 150 but in reality are well over 200.

 

[DELACROIX]

So a few crybabies got their feelings hurt. And will vote no, no matter what. Not very responsible of them to play with OTHERS livelihoods. You are one of the sheep I see.

It is called a Union. We are responsible to each other for EVERYBODY'S livelihoods, Not just our own...

We been selling our Brothers and Sisters and unborn down the river for so long now we think it is normal.

You might reconsider who on each side of this contract would be considered "Sheep".

"People Helping People"...

 

[DELACROIX]

Just a funny moment today, our BA at 959 is telling people he “talked to someone” and was told “if you vote no, Hoffa will just call for a strike because this is the best we can do.”

Lol. GTFOH.

If that was the best they could do why wouldn't they call one back in 1 August. Remember they did have the strike authorization in their back pockets.

If the "Master" is voted down it sure would be interesting to see who will be called back on the negotiating committees on both sides...

Neither side wants any hint of a strike/work stoppage just before peak and the November elections, they would be at the table in a heartbeat to rehash the deal.

This is my observation that with the economy booming, unemployment at a record low, minimum wage hovering around $10 per hour, our current inability to hire and retain new workers and Trump in office who despite your opinion on him or his politics won on a blue collar/american jobs first referendum it would not fare well for both negotiating parties if they act too arrogant to get their way. He will be on this issue like a chicken on a watermelon, neither of them wants the Feds to start looking at their dirty laundry and asking the wrong questions.

Think about everybody's fear of a "closed shop"..If it was feasible UPS would of done it decades ago. Could you imagine the nightmare of replacing 250,000 union workers with the quality and quantity that is currently out there. What is the current attrition rate with our new hires anyway, most do not last a week if they are lucky enough to make it through orientation.

 

[wide load]

So a few crybabies got their feelings hurt. And will vote no, no matter what. Not very responsible of them to play with OTHERS livelihoods. You are one of the sheep I see.

As opposed to playing with the family lives of the slaves that will be 22.4’s at a minimum of $6 less an hour with zero working protections while working on Saturday and Sunday. The vote no’s didn’t create that human captivity. You and your bosses did.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

So a few crybabies got their feelings hurt. And will vote no, no matter what. Not very responsible of them to play with OTHERS livelihoods. You are one of the sheep I see.

Management should not be posting in the union forum. Please go away.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

 

[Tony Q]

Ya we are getting the same line here. Better vote yes it’s the best you are gonna get because there is lots of competition now. Seems to me the union has totally forgotten who they work for.

Would you be happier if we just told you what you wanted to here? It actually takes guts to go and tell the truth. This company, the Teamsters, and a whole lot of people will b hurting real bad when this strike happens. And it’s going to happen.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Would you be happier if we just told you what you wanted to here? It actually takes guts to go and tell the truth. This company, the Teamsters, and a whole lot of people will b hurting real bad when this strike happens. And it’s going to happen.

So you are telling us the best contract ever isn't going to pass?

 

[1989]

As opposed to playing with the family lives of the slaves that will be 22.4’s at a minimum of $6 less an hour with zero working protections while working on Saturday and Sunday. The vote no’s didn’t create that human captivity. You and your bosses did.

You should be telling people to read the contact for themselves and make their own educated decision.

I’m not against a a good living wage, why are you? I though the union was about “a living wage.” Are you more of a $15 an hour kinda guy?

Our pension benefit will end up being about 17k over the 5 year term (that’s 102k over 30 years).

Our retiree healthcare costs will go down considerably. For a married couple and 1 child, a savings of about 700 a month.

 

[Tony Q]

So you are telling us the best contract ever isn't going to pass?

Nope and it will lead to a strike. I’m just being honest. People thank they want something but don’t understand the consequences. This is going to lead to a pension issue that we can’t come back from. Have at it.

 

[1989]

Management should not be posting in the union forum. Please go away.

Oh, I thought I’d find you here, sobbing in the corner.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Nope and it will lead to a strike. I’m just being honest. People thank they want something but don’t understand the consequences. This is going to lead to a pension issue that we can’t come back from. Have at it.

They could get a whole lot more yes votes if you gave the 22.4 drivers the same article 37 protection as the rest of us .
I realize everyone isn't going to get everything they want but that part of contract is too big of a give back.

They give them that protection and I will change my vote.

 

[silverbullet2893]

Would you be happier if we just told you what you wanted to HEAR*? It actually takes guts to go and tell the truth. This company, the Teamsters, and a whole lot of people will BE** hurting real bad when this strike happens. And it’s going to happen.

fixed it for you buddy.

 

[silverbullet2893]

Nope and it will lead to a strike. I’m just being honest. People thank they want something but don’t understand the consequences. This is going to lead to a pension issue that we can’t come back from. Have at it.

There’s not going to be a strike. Stop thumping your chest acting like you’re big and bad because we all know Hoffa won’t do and neither will Dennis. I don’t even work there anymore and I know they won’t strike.

 

[1whofan]

We all need to talk to our shop stewards or BA's and let them know the concerns we have about the contract, lack of interest and 20% voter turnout is why we continue to get these type of contracts. That's on us we need to show the company and the IBT that the days of apathy when it comes to negotiations and acceptance of contracts that are pushed down our throats are over. In all the meetings I've been to the union tells me the #1 issue was the pension and they tell me they've delivered, I've responded how can you say that if there hasn't been a bump in the 25 and out pension in years and how can you look a 4yr P/T union member in the face and tell him or her that it's a great contract that a new hire will make $13 to your $13.70.

 

[Tony Q]

They could get a whole lot more yes votes if you gave the 22.4 drivers the same article 37 protection as the rest of us .
I realize everyone isn't going to get everything they want but that part of contract is too big of a give back.

They give them that protection and I will change my vote.

So not you are willing to strike over 22.4 getting 9.5 protection? You do realize that 22.4 sets you up to go and be a rpcd very quickly and then you have the protection.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

So not you are willing to strike over 22.4 getting 9.5 protection? You do realize that 22.4 sets you up to go and be a rpcd very quickly and then you have the protection.

Other things bother me also but I realize it's a give and take when it comes to contracts . That one item is a deal breaker for me

They can fix the language and not cost the company anything out of pocket and make many members happy at the same time.

 

[Tony Q]

Other things bother me also bit I realize it's a give and take when it comes to contracts . That one item is a deal breaker for me

They can fix the language and not cost the company anything out of pocket and make many members happy at the same time.

That’s not a reason to blow up the whole business model.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

That’s not a reason to blow up the whole business model.

Again you aren't listening to what we are trying to tell you. We fought hard for those rights. It's bad enough they are going to be doing the same job for a lot less money, it's another thing for them not to have the same protections as the other members.