Voting Starts Next Week! How will you vote and why.
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Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
50%+1
Utahloader
Well-Known Member
Not a chance, not one educated PT I talked to is voting yes. Pay is only a small part of the reason. This contract is going to fail, by a landslide. Only way they will win is if it's rigged. I hate to be like that, but it's obviously the truth. All it takes is one glance at this website, sure most everyone on here is complaining, but its the same issues in every building and nothing is getting done. UPS is DOOMED.
Utahloader
Well-Known Member
When you vote, write down the conformation number and put it in a safe spot. Was told today at the PCM. All of our building is doing this, please, do the same.
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
To judge by looking at this website is to say you have a finger on the pulse because you surveyed a few dozen out of 260,000. The educated PT you speak of are few and far between when looking at the membership as a whole. Nothing is obvious, nothing will be rigged, the outcome will be what it is and none of us have any clue how this will turn out.
Many PT in many places are stoked at the prospect of being a 22.4, they dont give a
about lower pay or weekend work. Many hate the idea altogether. Both have valid points for how they feel, who am I to argue? I just provide the facts I can and move on. And, as always, many are just apathetic.
What's that going to do?
clipperman
Well-Known Member
Read the contract poll thread from 2013,some of the same people here now were posting the same things then about how that one was also going down in flames,was it also rigged then?
Poop Head
Judge me.
Did management say that?
opie
Well-Known Member
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
The "Master" did pass by about 4,100 votes nationwide..Many of the Major Supplements failed the first time. The Central passed the second time when Team Care upped their benefits for those who were previously under the Company's Health and Welfare Plan.
A few area supplements were bypassed when the International decided that they would never get them ratified. Apparently they are doing this again with this contract..
I was one of those during 2013 that was trying to argue on this site about the pitfalls on that contract... disappointed with the results but not at all surprised..We been settling for less for so long that most of us expect it..Is this one different, i would say yes, still a lot of anger from a lot of the membership over what happen with the 2013 one. I believe that the rank and file are starting to catch on to just how the current union leadership really views them by the way they pushed the last one and are using the same tactics with this one.
"Fool me once sham on you, Fool me Twice sham on me"..
Midwest went vote it down
clipperman
Well-Known Member
You might be right on all of that,all I’m saying is he isn’t the first on here to say if it doesn’t go a certain way it’s becasue it’s rigged. If a person reading these pages sees that and decides it could be rigged so what’s the point in voting then that’s not helpful. We have a hard enough time getting people to vote as it is and the last thing we need to be doing is giving people a reason to throw their ballot in the trash
BBeemer
New Member
Everybody needs to vote and vote NO! Regardless of the implication that the vote is rigged. Hell, I have a Teamster local President on my route and they have been throwing huge parties celebrating what a great job they have done with this contract . But look closely...your regional suppliment is missing some every important sections on articles regarding "hours of work". Central region article 12 had 10 sections ,including the daily 8 hour guarantee! There is only 1 section in article 12 now and no 8 hour daily or 6 hour daily if sent home guarantee. If you vote yes RPCDs will not be guaranteed Monday. Just a 40 hour week of 5 consecutive days. If you want your 40 you will be working one of the days this contract is supposed to protect you from (Saturday and or Sunday). Its a complete snow job. 22.4s will be delivering on weekends and there will be little or no work on Monday. Those worried about overtime drying up are silly, you sent even going to get 40 hrs if you don't work Saturday. Not hype or fear mongering look it up.
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
All of those portions are "missing" because they've only shown portions of the agreements that have a change in language, or new language. All of those things are still there, nothing changed.
Now, the concern of losing Monday work, I agree. You wanna vote against the tentative NMA and supplements, go ahead, but you need to do it with a clear understanding of what you're voting against, this is just nonsensical babble.
So if their obligations are lessening as you allege, why did their pension set aside go up by 3 billion?
Single employer plans have different rules than multi employer plans. UPS can adjust their assumption rate to fit their projections. For years UPS has assumed an 8.75% ROI and based their funding level report on that number, which is stretching reality.
Last years 14.5% was an anomaly. Even CSPF did well last year.
Anyway, with CBA negotiated increases, UPS's pension obligation to their own and to many participatory plans continues to rise.
And how have you 'divined' this allegation? How does the IBT do something before the fact?
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
I hope.... you are not one of those members, that have failed to realize, Ron Carey's
"97" contract was filled with concessions.
In every contract negotiation, there is "give and take" on both sides.
This is why, I will always defer to @Inthegame on pension issues.
-Bug-
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
I am guessing that the extra 3 billion dollars that they invested in their 3 major pension trusts was because of their returns of 14.5 % last year, also another possibility is to cover the costs with their current "Project Transformation" buy outs that is going on with our management people. That 5 billion dollar investment boosted their pension liabilities well over 100 %..which means that they technically do not have to put any additional monetary contributions into those plans to cover their projected benefits.
That 14.5 % rate on their pension benefits plans may not be an anomaly, they may get the same returns this year with the Dow standing at 26,450 and increasing. Their Central States liability goes down every year as our members continue to get vested time under the IBT/UPS Pension Plan and the older retirees pass on, the more that the company can make you work past your 60's is money in their banks, let alone the costs associated with retiree's Health and Welfare when Medicare kicks in at 65.
Those CBA Pension negotiation increases per Article 34 (Master) are not paid out equally in every individual members pension fund. The Western Conference gets this amount, The Central and Southern get is amount and the Eastern gets another amount. I am in the Central, if you study the pension benefits that our brothers and sisters with the same amount of service years and age requirements will be getting with our plan and then compare it to the West's..Big Differences..
I believe that most of the Western Conference are under what you call is a "Monetary Contribution Plan", were that negotiated weekly figure of 450 or 500 dollars per member is being contributed into that plan. That is why the quoted monthly pension for a 30 year retiree is hovering around 6,000 dollars and their part time service is far better credited with their full time service. Not like the Central's and Southern's (6 % penalty for all years prior to age 65)...
The IBT/UPS Plan and the UPS Pension Plan are called a "Defined Benefit Plan", it is paid annually a lump sump contribution just enough to covered their promised benefits. My conclusion would be that any member under the Company controlled pension plan are "NOT" getting the same amount of contributions as those under any of the "Monetary Contribution Plans" that the Teamsters have control of. The Central pays monthly a 30 year retiree at 3,500 (It goes up on 1 January 2020 to 3,900). The part time pension formula is misreading and poorly written, also they are only getting a 5 dollar increase per service year for those years after 2008. That 2350 quote on the 35 year pension benefit is very misleading..Do the math...Again a great cost cutting measure for UPS to stop their benefits after 35 years with no increases.
Your last statement would be answered by both of the negotiation parties never opened the "Ohio Rider" for vote with this contract..Their response is that there were no new changes so why bother... Case closed on that one...
eats packages
Deranged lunatic
Letter from IBT, Regional and local each to vote yes... I ripped them up at the mail box.
On second thought, I would have kept them as mementos should anyone ask about the 'ol 2018 Christmas strike.
cachmeifucan
Well-Known Member
Let's not forget our lovely union is owed more union dues. We shouldn't have to pay back union dues if our contract isn't ratified by August 1st it would actually give them incentives to get it done. If we are working under old contract they shouldn't get the old rate and retro check for union
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