Voting Starts Next Week! How will you vote and why.

[542thruNthru]

I woukd assume it would depend on center to center. Some from reading treat their employees very well from driver to part timer, others treat driver and loader alike as if they are on a 1920s prison farm chaingang. Also with management running around like a chicken without a head making decisions by the seat of their pants. The latter would be more likely to vote no.

Center to center can be much different but language between regions can make huge differences. It's amazing how different every area in the country is. I would have never known this if it wasn't for this site.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Do you think the wife of a rich guy, that buys her everything she wants, has the right to beat her?

I mean......he buys her literally everything she wants....

 

[Coldworld]

I'm doubting they even have Saturday ground there?

Me-ster voting mentality prevails.

Billion dollar company and they are using trailers with holes cut out of them and some foam around the edges to load trucks on....don’t think I’ve EVER seen DHL, the post office, FedEx ground or express use this kind of ghetto equipment

 

[LagunaBrown]

The union didn’t even address the oversize overweight stuff. Everything is getting larger, and heavier, and there is zero improvement in this contract. It’s time for liftgates on every car, or the union should have created a new position that involves 2 people on a car in every center that do nothing but deliver the huge stuff. Why the union would turn their backs on my safety, and fellow employees safety is beyond me. I was lied to. The union told me that they were going to do something like this, in the new contract. For this reason alone, i am a no vote.

Lift gates? Really. Just call in driver assist and get on the 9.5 list. I love when they called me to help a driver with an oversized pkg. that mean they had to take stops off for me to be under 9.5. Why does that not work for you?

 

[LagunaBrown]

I know employees that have said, if this contract passes, they are not going to pay Union dues. You know what? I don’t blame them. If this is the best the union can do, they don’t deserve to be paid. Yea, i know a bunch of people probably disagree with this tactic, but i certainly understand why someone would be driven to do this.

This is a ridiculous statement. That is called Union busting. Your job has wage, pension and healthcare benefits because of your Union. Take away the Union and UPS will take away your benefits like they are taking them away from management.

 

[LagunaBrown]

You do understand why we vote? If you like the contract vote yes. Don’t come across with you smug comment, and throw the $36 an hour in my face. Do you think the wife of a rich guy, that buys her everything she wants, has the right to beat her? The $36 doesn’t justify the company treating us like crap, and if we don’t like this contract, we have the right to vote no. If this contract goes through as is, this will be the beginning of the end. This is the weakest contract i have seen in 29 years.

The company treats you like crap because you let them treat you like crap. It has nothing to do with what your voting for. Grow a pair.

 

[LagunaBrown]

You're the king of bs and I really loathe liars. I'm not on facebook nor do I have time to waste rebutting the stupidity of your redundant sales jobs.
When it's all said and done those that lied, regardless of if the cba passed as is or not, are still liars.
Right now you have 1st Place. Wear your title proudly.

Talk about BS! Put your vote no Pom Poms down. All you do it try to discredit anyone that says anything positive about a yes vote. Do you really think people don’t see right through your agenda. Half you vote no tools did not even know we already had two tier drivers all across the country for over 20 years! We all get opinions too even the ones that don’t post but read the debates so if you don’t like what we have to say you can *

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Talk about BS! Put your vote no Pom Poms down. All you do it try to discredit anyone that says anything positive about a yes vote. Do you really think people don’t see right through your agenda. Half you vote no tools did not even know we already had two tier drivers all across the country for over 20 years! We all get opinions too even the ones that don’t post but read the debates so if you don’t like what we have to say you can suck it.

You've discredited your argument down to being a potty mouthed name caller.
Your desperation is showing.

The cover drivers that exist are temporary. Wake up and quit lying.
All they're creating is cheaper package car drivers jobs and everyone sees it....raping the package car drivers overtime and not giving the victims who bid those jobs any overload protection.
All you care about is your wallet. You and people like you want to allow the surepost and feeder work to be subcontracted out to fatten your wallet. The part timers seniority, who wouldnt bid a 22.4 job will be suppressed.

But as long as you get yours in your region everyone else doesnt matter, including the multiple thousands that will need a good job after your gone.

Your selfishness and lying is embarrassing real Teamsters.

Be a man, debate the concessions with truthfulness, and clean up your posting on here. You look so childish.

 

[wide load]

I see Union Reps'....

And drivers, wanting to maintain their quality of life.

Isn't a picture, worth a 1000 words ?

But what we don’t see in the picture are the 22.4’s that will have zero quality of life.

 

[wide load]

I believe it may pass. I'm in a fairly large building and most drivers I talk to say they will probably end up voting yes even though they aren't totally thrilled. I am on the fence. I asked my preloader and he didn't seem to know we had a contract The very small sample we find on here can lead us to believe things that aren't actually true.

East coast will come out and vote it down. What concerns me is as you go out west, unionism starts dying out. Most of the West’s best union people are on this board. The rest, just clueless.

 

[Bubblehead]

But what we don’t see in the picture are the 22.4’s that will have zero quality of life.

....and if left to pass, will be the lone gateway to a full time union job at UPS.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

But what we don’t see in the picture are the 22.4’s that will have zero quality of life.

....and if left to pass, will be the lone gateway to a full time union job at UPS.

I disagree.


People are assuming, that people are going to be jumping on these jobs.

The prevailing thought is.... "good luck with that".


The company trying to exceed the 25% cap ?


Where are these people going to be coming from ?

 

[wide load]

I disagree.


People are assuming, that people are going to be jumping on these jobs.

The prevailing thought is.... "good luck with that".


The company trying to exceed the 25% cap ?


Where are these people going to be coming from ?

Will they be allowed to hire off the street if they can’t fulfill?

 

[babboo25]

You do understand why we vote? If you like the contract vote yes. Don’t come across with you smug comment, and throw the $36 an hour in my face. Do you think the wife of a rich guy, that buys her everything she wants, has the right to beat her? The $36 doesn’t justify the company treating us like crap, and if we don’t like this contract, we have the right to vote no. If this contract goes through as is, this will be the beginning of the end. This is the weakest contract i have seen in 29 years.

So UPS is abusing you? Why are you allowing that to happen? Time for a new job gramps.

 

[Bubblehead]

I disagree.


People are assuming, that people are going to be jumping on these jobs.

The prevailing thought is.... "good luck with that".


The company trying to exceed the 25% cap ?


Where are these people going to be coming from ?

Will they be allowed to hire off the street if they can’t fulfill?

They will absolutely be hired off the street, in large numbers.

....and once hired and qualified, will move to the front of the line for any other future full time opportunities.

So again, if let to pass, 22.4 hybrid driver jobs will be the lone gateway to a full-time union jobs at UPS.

Part timers can forget about ever winning a 22.3 bid.



~Bbbl~™

 

[Slug Life]

They will absolutely be hired off the street in large numbers.

....and once hired and qualified will move to the front of the line for any other future full time opportunities.

So again, if let to pass, 22.4 hybrid driver jobs will be the lone gateway to a full-time union job at UPS.



~Bbbl~™

Exactly so how is that a win BUG?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Will they be allowed to hire off the street if they can’t fulfill?

Section 4. (a)

"Part-time employees shall be given the opportunity to fill full-time jobs before hiring from the outside on a six for-one basis (six (6) part- time to every one (1) outside hire)."

They will absolutely be hired off the street in large numbers.

Good luck with that.

Who is going to train all these "off the street" hires ?


The companies subjective work methods and safety procedures....

Are going to be magically relaxed, to fill these jobs ?


The cart, is being placed in front of the horse.



-Bug-

 

[Bubblehead]

Good luck with that.

Who is going to train all these "off the street" hires.


The companies subjective work methods and safety procedures....

Are going to be magically relaxed, to fill these jobs ?


The cart, is being placed in front of the horse.

The same people who will train those part timers who bid the job?

I hate to tell you, they are already training on an unprecedented level, on the guise that these people will be package car drivers, only to be disqualified on their 29th day.

So yes, watch the Company magically reconsider, if this contract is ratified, and offer these previously unacceptable employees a 22.4 opportunity.



~Bbbl~™

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I hate to tell you, they are already training on an unprecedented level, on the guise that these people will be package car drivers, only to be disqualified on their 29th day.

And if they are disqualified....

What % do you think will be willing to come back, and do the job for less money ?

 

[Bubblehead]

And if they are disqualified....

What % do you think will be willing to come back, and do the job for less money ?

....nope, for the same money to start, with a lengthened, tumultuous, two-step progression to top scale.

As far as how many come back, I suspect many will, in the absence of other choices.

Because if they had other options, I would expect they would have exercised them already?



~Bbbl~™