Voting Starts Next Week! How will you vote and why.

[burrheadd]

I'd rather not even get to the verification stage. If it's too close to call, move on!

No excitement in that

 

[Been In Brown Too Long]

No excitement in that

I've got plenty of excitement in my life, don't need that particular brand of excitement!

 

[Brownslave688]

Trust but Verify

Just saying. Pretty strong jawline.

 

[Benben]

I have never seen nor heard Tyler claim UPS can opt out of the pension. Now you have been caught in a lie!

You further that lie by claiming there is a "misreading of the language and its just a house cleaning change." Those are your words you company whore! The new paragraph in the contract allows the company to discipline (after a verbal) anytime a driver has more than 1 seat belt violation, or bulkhead event, or a back first, or etc... Basically they can dream up some new report and go hunting those drivers with targets on their backs (like the drivers who cost more per hour!)

You know, the StbF regular drivers! That's Soon-to-be-Fired regular drivers

Please give your address so we may send you a dictionary because Bitch, you do not know what the word "concessionary" means. Your definition made my laugh!

Your an idiot! If you had a ing clue whats been going on across the country with grievances you wouldn't open your gash! Here, in my local, the BA won't even accept a 9.5 pay grievance let alone fight to get it paid. I'd take a 35% pay over the 0 we get now!

 

[Benben]

Nobody is saying a 22.4 can't bid an RPCD job. But that 22.4 job you take is going to make it a longer wait to get that RPCD job. Yes all current RPCD jobs are locked in. The only way you're going to get a RPCD job is through attrition. All new routes based on growth will be 22.4 until they run into that 25% cap, guaranteed! Now how long is your progression if it takes 8 years to get a RPCD job? 8 YEARS! since you'll always be $6/hr behind.

I wish everyone would understand this!

BTW the 25% is NOT A CAP! Mark my words 25% will be laughed at when all is said and done!

 

[542thruNthru]

I have never seen nor heard Tyler claim UPS can opt out of the pension. Now you have been caught in a lie!

You further that lie by claiming there is a "misreading of the language and its just a house cleaning change." Those are your words you company whore! The new paragraph in the contract allows the company to discipline (after a verbal) anytime a driver has more than 1 seat belt violation, or bulkhead event, or a back first, or etc... Basically they can dream up some new report and go hunting those drivers with targets on their backs (like the drivers who cost more per hour!)

You know, the StbF regular drivers! That's Soon-to-be-Fired regular drivers

Please give your address so we may send you a dictionary because Bitch, you do not know what the word "concessionary" means. Your definition made my laugh!

Your an idiot! If you had a ing clue whats been going on across the country with grievances you wouldn't open your gash! Here, in my local, the BA won't even accept a 9.5 pay grievance let alone fight to get it paid. I'd take a 35% pay over the 0 we get now!

Actually the language never protected us against discipline. Just discharge from technology.

People were being disciplined on the first offense and sometimes discharged for dishonesty.

 

[wide load]

Funny how Tyler is a driver doing a video on his own time and goes against a paid IBT official financial analyst and still holds his own. Comical

 

[Benben]

Raises are less than the 02 contract! The big raise is for starting rate which the company needed, not me.

Yeap, our union allowed UPS's inability to hire because of y pay and y work environment to be a negotiating chip in favor of the company. I called it way back in January!

 

[Benben]

Actually the language never protected us against discipline. Just discharge from technology.

People were being disciplined on the first offense and sometimes discharged for dishonesty.

I distinctly recall the last contract "proposal" presented to us as using the word "discipline" then in the book we got it had become "discharged." I wish to god I had kept that proposal from that meeting!!!

We have not seen that happen here. first time heard it was from DT's teleconference. I am not saying it hasn't happened just because I haven't personally witnessed it but can you give any proof that this change was "needed by the bargaining unit members?"

 

[542thruNthru]

I distinctly recall the last contract "proposal" presented to us as using the word "discipline" then in the book we got it had become "discharged." I wish to god I had kept that proposal from that meeting!!!

We have not seen that happen here. first time heard it was from DT's teleconference. I am not saying it hasn't happened just because I haven't personally witnessed it but can you give any proof that this change was "needed by the bargaining unit members?"

No I can't provide proof though we have had warning letters here but not discharges in my local. I was just saying that the language currently only protects us from discharge.

They may have passed out a proposal in the beginning of the last contract with discipline I don't know.

 

[Been In Brown Too Long]

I wish everyone would understand this!

BTW the 25% is NOT A CAP! Mark my words 25% will be laughed at when all is said and done!

I agree, they'll laugh at that language. I just don't want to say anything that deviates from the proposed language giving these shills an opening to attack. The language is dire enough as written to make my point, forget about how dire things will be when UPS exploits it.

I'm tired of hearing the "have you ever negotiated a labor agreement? Are you an expert in contract law?" NO I HAVEN'T! But I have had to work under the contracts that you guys have negotiated for decades. I've seen language that appeared solid get misinterpreted, or twisted. So when I see obviously weak, exploitable language presented, I have to ask, HAVE YOU EVER NEGOTIATED A CONTRACT WITH UPS OR HAD TO WORK UNDER THAT CONTRACT? If you had, you'd know without question how this language will be used against us.

And what difference does it make if Tyler has been "vote no" since the last contract? If he believes it was garbage, and now this one too, that's his right. What grand conspiracy would a young driver be a part of, and what would he have to gain other than his right to a fair contract? The union on the other hand....

 

[1BROWNWRENCH]

Try Maynard's View. Wear safety glasses in case he explodes.

 

[Time for change]

I agree, they'll laugh at that language. I just don't want to say anything that deviates from the proposed language giving these shills an opening to attack. The language is dire enough as written to make my point, forget about how dire things will be when UPS exploits it.

I'm tired of hearing the "have you ever negotiated a labor agreement? Are you an expert in contract law?" NO I HAVEN'T! But I have had to work under the contracts that you guys have negotiated for decades. I've seen language that appeared solid get misinterpreted, or twisted. So when I see obviously weak, exploitable language presented, I have to ask, HAVE YOU EVER NEGOTIATED A CONTRACT WITH UPS OR HAD TO WORK UNDER THAT CONTRACT? If you had, you'd know without question how this language will be used against us.

And what difference does it make if Tyler has been "vote no" since the last contract? If he believes it was garbage, and now this one too, that's his right. What grand conspiracy would a young driver be a part of, and what would he have to gain other than his right to a fair contract? The union on the other hand....

Where is evidence of Tyler being vote no since last contract? And DT isn’t exactly a highly educated scholar when it comes to anything.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

I didn't download your version, but did find it on YouTube! I just don't know if you're UPS management or who you really are.

She's intelligent, makes a great case and schools Tyler on his white board. Plus, she's also good looking too.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Funny how Tyler is a driver doing a video on his own time and goes against a paid IBT official financial analyst and still holds his own. Comical

Cut and dry truth doesnt take a white board broad.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

I actually think that the IBT is prepping us for a no vote. They will try and make minimal changes and use “we are going under” bs tactics.

They lose us and they will go under.
Tail is wagging the dog.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Nobody is saying a 22.4 can't bid an RPCD job. But that 22.4 job you take is going to make it a longer wait to get that RPCD job. Yes all current RPCD jobs are locked in. The only way you're going to get a RPCD job is through attrition. All new routes based on growth will be 22.4 until they run into that 25% cap, guaranteed! Now how long is your progression if it takes 8 years to get a RPCD job? 8 YEARS! since you'll always be $6/hr behind.

The alternative, you ask? The company is forced to create those same routes as RPCD jobs, as they're obviously needed to alleviate the excessive overtime. Certain new jobs are bid Tue-Sat, or Wed-Sun and everyone gets the same pay. Why would the company need lower wages when the problem is there's too much work? That's absurd! The union should be taking advantage of that, not retreating from it.

I don't understand how anyone could see this as anything other than a give back in disguise. It is just lengthening the progression without coming right out and saying it!

The masterminds think that "locking in....red circled" existing pkg car drivers is a big deal?

They're already locked in. Idiots.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

I like this Tyler kid. This video does expose his local as bowing down on grievance pay for 30-40% instead of the legally owed 100%. Now this is what Tyler said he, the membership & his area local agree too.

If this indeed true. I'd like to see Tyler more involved in his local as an employee.

Put Tyler on the ticket. He might need some fine tuning on understanding a contract but he's intelligent and has a street fighter mentality.

His local isn't the only one sleeping with the company.

 

[BlackCat]

Bought and paid for by IBT dues.

 

[siouxman]

Nobody is saying a 22.4 can't bid an RPCD job. But that 22.4 job you take is going to make it a longer wait to get that RPCD job. Yes all current RPCD jobs are locked in. The only way you're going to get a RPCD job is through attrition. All new routes based on growth will be 22.4 until they run into that 25% cap, guaranteed! Now how long is your progression if it takes 8 years to get a RPCD job? 8 YEARS! since you'll always be $6/hr behind.

The alternative, you ask? The company is forced to create those same routes as RPCD jobs, as they're obviously needed to alleviate the excessive overtime. Certain new jobs are bid Tue-Sat, or Wed-Sun and everyone gets the same pay. Why would the company need lower wages when the problem is there's too much work? That's absurd! The union should be taking advantage of that, not retreating from it.

I don't understand how anyone could see this as anything other than a give back in disguise. It is just lengthening the progression without coming right out and saying it!

I waited 5 years to be a Pk driver