Voting Starts Next Week! How will you vote and why.

[542thruNthru]

How many drivers would work 70 hrs a week?during peak the hours go up but that is for a few weeks after all that is what we do provide a service during our Christmas rush

Hey @scratch You want to tell him how your building every single driver worked 70 hours every week of peak and I believe even some weeks after peak? I know every driver here except for the ones that called out sick every Saturday worked 70hrs all through peak. That was 7 weeks here.

 

[siouxman]

She never addresses the elephant in the room, “if work is available” on Monday/Tuesday. I would imagine you could get 10-20% of people to change their vote to yes if you just removed that language and guaranteed M-friend 8hrs a day in the Master.

You’d still have enough of the go home crowd that you do now.

Now that is a great point

 

[542thruNthru]

We have them and most like it or they would not stick around

All stick around for the RPCD job. Not because they like being a cover driver

 

[TxTawny]

What about the part where he says “grow some”? That guy MaTT is a joke.

 

[siouxman]

And???? A fully explained point would be appreciated.

Here, I'll finish it for you...
Then you began your progression towards full wages, not the $6 less mark that can go on for an undetermined period, with no 9.5 protection and no 8hr requests.

I think you make a valid point. What is the progression now? 4 years?

 

[Time for change]

What would the company want in return

How about taking a dollar off starting rate since starting rate is mostly a non member thing. I’d offer a suggestion of catering more to those that are actually able to vote. And the starting rate is being used as a “get” for us, when it is a company “get”.

 

[siouxman]

All stick around for the RPCD job. Not because they like being a cover driver

not true in our center they have chances to bid routes and some have and some don't want it

 

[542thruNthru]

not true in our center they have chances to bid routes and some have and some don't want it

well then your covered drivers are RPCDs with out a route. Are they paid the same as a RPCD? Ours make 75% of top scale and can not bid routes.

 

[TxTawny]

They listened to these guys ?
They were evidently manipulated as to what the contract says (and doesn’t say). They obviously didn’t do their research.

T

 

[siouxman]

well then your covered drivers are RPCDs with out a route. Are they paid the same as a RPCD? Ours make 75% of top scale and can not bid routes.

Paid the same as rpcd for the most part I think there is some exceptions if they do straight air vs ground or a combination

 

[BlackCat]

She claims 80% of the country already has some sorta part time temp/cover/utility driver? Anybody really know the true number ?

I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like an arbitrary number she threw out there.

 

[542thruNthru]

Paid the same as rpcd

Do you have any drivers that make less then a RPCD? If not then you do not have the type of cover drivers she is talking about.

 

[Smashmouth]

What would the company want in return

Why does the company have to have something in return? What did they “give” us to try to push 22.4s through? Nothing! They bumped the part time rate for new hires to $13. Big deal! They need to do that just to attract workers! They bumped the pension $400 in 2020. Big Deal! They only bumped the 30 and 35 year pension. How many people busting their asses with todays loads and hours are going to ever see those pensions? Some will, but the vast majority won’t make it that many years befor their bodies fall apart. Why didn’t they bump the 25 year pension? Because thats a more realistic number that most people can probably achieve, so that would actually cost them real money. Our raises are pretty much the usual that we are given, so no big “give” by the company there.
So we have made HUGE concessions for nothing out of the ordinary in return. Time to vote NO and go back to the drawing board!

 

[BlackCat]

well then your covered drivers are RPCDs with out a route. Are they paid the same as a RPCD? Ours make 75% of top scale and can not bid routes.

Here in 104 they make the same.

 

[542thruNthru]

Here in 104 they make the same.

Is it 104 in Phoenix aren't you under the same supplemental Riders as me?

If so how do you not have PT cover drivers?

 

[BlackCat]

Is it 104 in Phoenix aren't you under the same supplemental Riders as me?

If so how do you not have PT cover drivers?

Yes I am..

We have "swing" drivers. They go through the same progression as any other driver. Not long ago, almost all the "swing" drivers were at top pay.

 

[Grey]

Is it 104 in Phoenix aren't you under the same supplemental Riders as me?

If so how do you not have PT cover drivers?

They’re either bidded RPCD’s, swinging RPCD’s or air drivers.

 

[Smashmouth]

Our cover drivers make 85% top pay. Here in the south, we have had cover drivers the longest, well before the ‘97 strike when the language started to spread throughout the country. The company has always abused the language and used them for more then they are supposed to. Our covers have 9.5 protection, only of they are covering the same route all week, but that can all be at the sups discretion, so not real 9.5 protection.
The problem is, now PTs will have to become a cover driver and then a 22.4 driver before finally making it to RPCD. That could realistically be 5-10 years with no protections and sub standard pay.

 

[542thruNthru]

They’re either bidded RPCD’s, swinging RPCD’s or air drivers.

That is so strange. You are in the Southwest Package Rider correct? How is it we have bidded RPCDs, Utility Drivers, Cover Drivers and air drivers.

I don't see swing driver anywhere in the Southwest Package Rider.

 

[TxTawny]

First off, that lady doesn’t know her ass from her elbow. TCD’s get better pay, pension, health and 9.5 protections. 224’s don’t. Look, some locals are trying to get “noticed” by the IBT (example @Tony Q). They are so worried about UPS going under that UPS gave every PT sup a $3 and hour raise. I cannot believe the state of some of these unions. So elected officials would crumble pulling a route.

She is twisting his words. He wasn’t saying the 22.4’s (Hybrids) are to replace RPCD’s ( regular package car driver), he was saying RPCD’s who are wanting 22.3 (inside combo jobs) will no longer get them because the 22.4 (Hybrid drivers) will consume those jobs.