Voting Starts Next Week! How will you vote and why.

[Been In Brown Too Long]

Tyler's only leg to stand on imo. Is when he says 22.4's won't be able to sign up twice a month for a 8-hour request day. Oh well, 2 bad... so sad. New hires can't now anyways. These 22.4's have to earn their bones first just like you or I did our first 5-years. That's life. Tyler wants to hand the new hire $41 immediately and give him/her the same treatment or rights as a 30-year employee. It's only fair they start from the ground floor. That's how you don't become spoiled and feel you should be entitled to everything just because you made your 30 days.

No where did Tyler say they should get $41 immediately or have the same rights as a 30 year employee immediately. If you want people to join your vote yes position, stop lying to them. People are more inclined to buy your position if you speak directly to them with the facts. He/we want those future drivers to acquire the same rights you have over the course of time that they would be earned. Progression 4 years to $41, rights to 8 hour days, and 9.5 protection per the contract.

The only truth in your post is "Oh well, 2 bad...so sad." You've finally let the truth about how you feel slip out. You got yours, who cares about the rest.

 

[upser_in916]

120 drivers in my building. I don’t know a single person who is voting NO.

This contract will and should pass easily

 

[LagunaBrown]

You saying it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, does not make it true.

Go ask Andy M if you have cover drivers. You are clueless.

 

[LagunaBrown]

So you mean instead of hiring another RPCD they will hire a 22.4? That will happen until they hit 25%.

Yes before someone jumps down my throat I know they can raise it later.

Oh my god why can people not get that they will only hire as many 22.4’s as they need for Saturday routes. If they hire more then the company will have to pay their guarantees on Saturday.

If for some reason they do hire 25% that means there will be more routes in. If 22.4’s are doing newly established routes for 3 out of 5 days for 30 days they become bid routes. That means more RPCD jobs because 22.4 can not bid on routes!!! I have been getting RPCD’s hired here for years because of the ratio of utility to bid routes.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Okay so what exactly is a swing driver? Is it just a utility driver?

Yes it’s an old school term for a Utility Driver.

 

[Brownsocks]

120 drivers in my building. I don’t know a single person who is voting NO.

This contract will and should pass easily

Almost everyone in my building is voting no. No way this contract shouldn't get voted down easily.

 

[Time for change]

Exactly! You speak the truth. The 22.4's also will top out at $34.76 as they wait to bid into a RPCD job that will pay over $41 an hour. These are landmark huge pay scales for a company that employs over 400,000. Part time jobs that can make $30 an hour with no out-pocket pay for healthcare, plus part time jobs with a pension. **UNHEARD OF**

I remember @scratch talking about how bad the back log was last Peak. I wasn't signed on here and had no time to post yet would lurk/read his struggles almost nightly. This being right at the corporates doorstep. It sounded horrendous and now the IBT has a guarantee 5,000 Teamster UPS employees are going to be hired in the next 5-years and he's against the contract????

Jamie from 174 commented back on YouTube from all the mean spirited folks. Those people claim that voting no will get you more later. Like she said, if that was true, every contract in every union would automatically vote no.

Tyler's only leg to stand on imo. Is when he says 22.4's won't be able to sign up twice a month for a 8-hour request day. Oh well, 2 bad... so sad. New hires can't now anyways. These 22.4's have to earn their bones first just like you or I did our first 5-years. That's life. Tyler wants to hand the new hire $41 immediately and give him/her the same treatment or rights as a 30-year employee. It's only fair they start from the ground floor. That's how you don't become spoiled and feel you should be entitled to everything just because you made your 30 days.

Part time jobs here have had a pension for decades but they pay has been cut significantly adjusted for inflation. Should a 14 year person really make 14 dollars less an hour than a person doing the exact same job? I know full timers would love that progression lol.

 

[DELACROIX]

Exactly! You speak the truth. The 22.4's also will top out at $34.76 as they wait to bid into a RPCD job that will pay over $41 an hour. These are landmark huge pay scales for a company that employs over 400,000. Part time jobs that can make $30 an hour with no out-pocket pay for healthcare, plus part time jobs with a pension. **UNHEARD OF**

I believe there are only 250,000 UPS teamsters. The question should be asked on why the company wants to create a permanent lower paid new classification, why not just create more RPCD positions to cover the Saturday and possible Sunday runs? Are you seriously claiming the a new hire part-timer will ever be able to reach that 30 dollar a hour rate and just how many years will it take?

I remember @scratch talking about how bad the back log was last Peak. I wasn't signed on here and had no time to post yet would lurk/read his struggles almost nightly. This being right at the corporates doorstep. It sounded horrendous and now the IBT has a guarantee 5,000 Teamster UPS employees are going to be hired in the next 5-years and he's against the contract????

The backlog was due to mismanagement plain and simple and keeping it real. Will will find out this peak if they are willing to put their profits into providing the equipment and troops to run a peak properly. The first year no full time 22.4s will be created so they are a non factor to your response. Stratch was right it was one sad event last time and it had nothing to do with the Union workers or Management on the Ground level everything that happen was due to stupid decisions from the higher ups.



Jamie from 174 commented back on YouTube from all the mean spirited folks. Those people claim that voting no will get you more later. Like she said, if that was true, every contract in every union would automatically vote no.

It worked in the Central Supplement last contract..It went down the first time and we got improvements in our Health and Welfare coverages. We are not mean just smart.

Tyler's only leg to stand on imo. Is when he says 22.4's won't be able to sign up twice a month for a 8-hour request day. Oh well, 2 bad... so sad. New hires can't now anyways. These 22.4's have to earn their bones first just like you or I did our first 5-years. That's life. Tyler wants to hand the new hire $41 immediately and give him/her the same treatment or rights as a 30-year employee. It's only fair they start from the ground floor. That's how you don't become spoiled and feel you should be entitled to everything just because you made your 30 days.

When I hired in there was no such thing as a progression, the starting part time rate at that time was 2 X the state minimum wage. Those new part timers who are spoiled and entitled generally leave before their 30 days and get a better paying job at McDonalds. Tyler gets what a Union should be like: Equal Pay, Retirement and Health and Welfare Benefits for all it's members. Why not shoot for the moon instead of parroting the standard Company line that we are undeserving, unless you are company by heart.

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[Ancient Alien]

Go on Strike!

Give away your job to Amazon?

Amazon ups order for US-built Mercedes-Benz Sprinter delivery vans

 

[LagunaBrown]

When I hired in there was no such thing as a progression, the starting part time rate at that time was 2 X the state minimum wage. Those new part timers who are spoiled and entitled generally leave before their 30 days and get a better paying job at McDonalds. Tyler gets what a Union should be like: Equal Pay, Retirement and Health and Welfare Benefits for all it's members. Why not shoot for the moon instead of parroting the standard Company line that we are undeserving, unless you are company by heart.

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You are really voting based off that Tylers video? He talks in general nationally and zero specifics. Any one can say “we can do better vote no” without doing any analysis. There are over 30 contracts, 17 pension funds, multiple Taft Hartley Acts (Healthcare) and hundreds of locals with different rules!! Are you kidding me that you think this kid TYLER knows !

 

[Time for change]

You are really voting based off that Tylers video? He talks in general and zero specifics. Any one can say “we can do better vote no” without doing any analysis. There are over 30 contracts and hundreds of locals with different rules!! Are you kidding me that you think this kid TYLER knows !

I was a firm no before Tyler videos because of the horrendous contract for existing part timers in the best economy in 20 years. The other concessions don’t help but stop feeding me these “gets” that are company “gets”.

 

[Ghost in the Darkness]

A little more information for the vote No crowd... this contract sucks in all the ways we have discussed. We were not represented. Vote No!!!

 

[Ancient Alien]

When I hired in there was no such thing as a progression, the starting part time rate at that time was 2 X the state minimum wage. Those new part timers who are spoiled and entitled generally leave before their 30 days and get a better paying job at McDonalds. Tyler gets what a Union should be like: Equal Pay, Retirement and Health and Welfare Benefits for all it's members. Why not shoot for the moon instead of parroting the standard Company line that we are undeserving, unless you are company by heart.

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I want all hourlies rewarded, they deserve it. However, within reason. I believe what this really is;

** Trump Mania ** what I mean by that is the 'No Movement' started out with fire & energy. Made valid points, showed solidarity and a interest towards the longevity of The Teamsters. As the weeks, months rolled by. It was overwhelmingly obvious it didn't matter what was said, taught, negotiated for the betterment. The *base* is voting No..... no matter what. Then the master & handshake agreement was established and all of a sudden the union is the enemy. "Lock Denis Up", this all before Supplements & Riders negotiated.

Now we're at a point where there is no doubt, no questioning in its totality.... this is the best Teamster contract in my (almost) 27-years at UPS. Time after time locals, BA's, leadership is proving step by step this is a terrific contract. The No movement knows they have very,very little to complain about. However, just like an avid Trump man in 2015/2016... this No movement refuses to take Yes for an answer. They are sticking to their guns at all cost even though the Whitehouse or Brownhouse is set to burn down with them in it.

$37.60 an hour + $22.14 an hour (in health & welfare & pension) = $59.74 an hour---**that's $59.74 AN HOUR**
No Cost Healthcare, 9 Weeks of Inflated Paid Vacation after 30-years. Pensions that will pay NET over $485,000 every 10-years with a potential to pay out over $1,455,000 NET if I live until 80! Rare to find a 401k person clearing $1,455,000 of pure cash! Plus, UPS/IBT has a 401(k) & NOT COUNTING my SS I'll draw at 62 that I earned the lion share from working at UPS.

I find your arguments weak, unfounded, stubborn and a willingness to never agree you were ever, ever wrong.

I personally believe the No Movement is Anti-Union & Pro Establishment! Just feeding out of Wall Street's hands.

I'm ashamed of ya'll.

 

[Coldworld]

120 drivers in my building. I don’t know a single person who is voting NO.

This contract will and should pass easily

Won’t matter if large locals like 804, 25 And Louisville all vote it down in large numbers....it won’t pass easily....and in actuality how many of your fellow 120 drivers will really vote???

 

[Frankie's Friend]

They're attacking our hero Jamie bad on YouTube and what she claims is the Vote No board or website!

Stay tough Jamie! Fitty luvs ya!

It's unfair on all these social media sites.

Need some laws damnit!

The bad guys are taking over the cyber world!

Since you're in Time Out for being abusive on here I saved this for you.

Pull the company bit out of your mouth and tell the truth.
You look childish.

 

[Str8right72]

Won’t matter if large locals like 804, 25 And Louisville all vote it down in large numbers....it won’t pass easily....and in actuality how many of your fellow 120 drivers will really vote???

This is the telltale question. If the percentage that turned out for the strike vote is any litmus for the NMA then the whole thing may be out of our hands.

 

[Smashmouth]

A 22.4 Drivers here is going to make

$129,000 to pension over 5 years
$30 bucks an hour
full time healthcare contributions
AND CAN STLL GO TO THE RPCD POSITION.

You keep talking but part timers have families. They will take this great opportunity for their wife and kids. It’s not like they are stuck here they can still go to a RPCD position. It is far better than part time wages, pension and healthcare contributions. PERIOD.

If you vote no your keeping them part time longer. Think about it!

Your arguement is so ridiculous! The best you can come up with is “ Well we already have a two tier system, so because we already do, its OK to allow more” You never did answer my question aking if you like the TCD language. Its obvious you must, if youre willing to allow more substandard employees.
So my next question is this...”At what point do YOU say enough is enough?” I guess this is all cool because its not affecting you, and itll help solidify your pension with the extra contributions, or at least thats your rationale.
So when the next contract comes around and the company starts pandering to the voices of the TCDs and 22.4s and PTs, because your RPCD voice is far out numbered by all of them, then what are you gonna do? Or maybe youre not going to be here by then, so you dont care. Me first doesnt equal union!!

 

[DELACROIX]

Go on Strike!

Give away your job to Amazon?

Amazon ups order for US-built Mercedes-Benz Sprinter delivery vans

There you go again "FEAR MONGERING"..Yawn..

 

[DELACROIX]

This is the telltale question. If the percentage that turned out for the strike vote is any litmus for the NMA then the whole thing may be out of our hands.

I believe that the strike authorization vote was at 23% of the total UPS membership. The general voter turn out for contracts over the last 20 years runs about 40%. I get your point, the only thing we can do is vote and see what happens. The current teamster leadership suffered dearly with the last election due to the fact they imposed some of the supplements without it's membership having the opportunity to vote. I am presuming that Hoffa will retire before the next IBT election and there will be a jockeying more power.

I am guessing that the 23% who voted would be "Nays" and represent mostly senior full timers..As a rule part timers do not vote as a body, most of the newer ones could care less what happens, they can find another job with the same pay, less stress elsewhere and most are covered under their parents Health and Welfare till age 26.

Even if somehow the "Master" is voted in or imposed, most of the "Supplements" will go down flaming. It will be a long, long time before this one is settled, in other words those who are voting "yes" just to get in that "fat" retro check, think again before you put down that payment on your new Harley.

 

[DOK]

Appalled by the video, so much misunderstanding on her part, condescending tone as well. NO vote from this video alone.