Voting Starts Next Week! How will you vote and why.

[Dulce Bombón]

No mention of holidays in either the NMA or supplement documents that I was sent.

I found that odd.

Anyway, we will almost certainly still be working under the 2013-18 agreements by Black Friday 2018, so as a 177 driver, I'll be off that day.

Enjoy the overtime, as much as u can, if not 22.4 is ready to make cardboard goes around for $6 bucks less, take your overtime, while Stewards will be considering your demands and put u in a waiting list. Good luck!

 

[PT Car Washer]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure his logic is just that starting wage adjusted for inflation would be $31 an hour to put into perspective how amazing the starting pay was 40-50 years ago, not that it should be $31 an hour, because that would be pretty silly these days.

What I don't get is why it's not at least $15. People have been fighting for a $15 wage as the ideal minimum living wage for years now, and ups used to pay new hires WAY better than that. As it stands with this contract, new hires will basically get to look forward to barely making more than my city's current minimum wage. Right now, Portland's minimum is $12, and it'll be $14.75 in 2022, compared to ups's $13-$15.50. We have extreme trouble holding onto new hires right now because the minimum wage means they could go somewhere else and make basically the same money with a fraction of the work and stress, and I don't see this contract changing that.

At the very least new hires should get GWI as well (or rather, which ever is greater, the bump or GWI, since there's one year with a dollar raise instead of 50 cents).

The reason PT made the same hourly rate as FT 40 years ago was to protect FT wages and jobs.

 

[JustDeliverIt]

Got my ballot today accompanied with 2 flyers pushing a yes vote + the crap they crammed in with the voting instructions. Would have voted NO! right away but I gotta wait til 9/26 until it starts.

You can vote no now, the 26th is when you can start asking for replacement credentials. Voting is open right now.

 

[BigBrown87]

No vote for both master and central, what's funny is the Yes voters are more pissed then the No voters.

 

[Heavy Package]

When does this stop? Ups has made a gazillon dollars. We all know. When does it end ? 100 a hr , anyone one payrolls guaranteed 40 with zero progression involved?

Good points. College educated, 15 years in management prior to UPS.

When does it end? The issue is not the work - it is the working environment. UPS treats people at all levels like complete garbage. This corporate attitude died 20-30 years ago and is certainly not the norm now. The work speed, volume, and expectations are borderline intolerable.

When does it stop? Because of the horrid work environment, UPS must pay more in salaries and benefits to attract and retain people. Therefore, we earn by way of the harsh workload and conditions, every penny in wages and benefits.

As someone who has worked in other careers, I can tell you without bias that UPS either needs to drastically change its working environment or they will continue down the path of paying a premium in wages and benefits to retain any level of a workforce.

We earn everything we have working at UPS. I wish you and all of my brothers and sisters a comfortable and long retirement. We deserve it.

 

[Heavy Package]

"VOTE NO "

I received my ballot today in the mail.

Damn straight they already have at least 1 NO vote to tally. Mine.

 

[fattybrown]

Heavy pkg speaks the truth. The younger generation isn’t going to hang.

Not all but most of them suck.

 

[Froome]

I agree, if you can put up with the micro management, long hours and dismal work conditions for 30+ years you deserve a good retirement. One that doesn't stress your body the way ups does. You just have to survive to collect.

 

[GOODWIN]

I’ve read everything on TDU,UPSRising,Browncafe and every word in the Master and my region and honestly I like it

1. Retirement after 30 is great.
2. My health insurance is still payed for by UPS.
3. At least the 22.4 drivers are full time. I got screwed in the 90’s workin 50+ hours a week part time . They can only hire 1 22.4 for every 4 drivers hired. .
4. Over 40 dollars an hour at the end of this contract plus all my benefits paid. Where else can you make that much money hustling packages.
I know I’ll have to leave browncafe after posting this but please everyone read all the propaganda on BOTH sides then vote.

 

[Brown_Star]

I’ve read everything on TDU,UPSRising,Browncafe and every word in the Master and my region and honestly I like it

1. Retirement after 30 is great.
2. My health insurance is still payed for by UPS.
3. At least the 22.4 drivers are full time. I got screwed in the 90’s workin 50+ hours a week part time . They can only hire 1 22.4 for every 4 drivers hired. .
4. Over 40 dollars an hour at the end of this contract plus all my benefits paid. Where else can you make that much money hustling packages.
I know I’ll have to leave browncafe after posting this but please everyone read all the propaganda on BOTH sides then vote.

Fifty plus hours weekly part time?What local?

 

[PT Car Washer]

Fifty plus hours weekly part time?What local?

Air exception driver plus working your PT sort and doing Saturday air. Air exception paid $10/hr and OT after 8. I worked a lot of 50 hour weeks. The only bright spot was my OT was paid at PT red circle rate.

 

[wornoutupser]

you can retire at 30 now. Why are you excited?

 

[GOODWIN]

it

Fifty plus hours weekly part time?What local?

Southern. Had 4 pay codes all low.

 

[GOODWIN]

you can retire at 30 now. Why are you excited?

2020 goes up 400 dollars

 

[Bubblehead]

Fifty plus hours weekly part time?What local?

Air exception driver plus working your PT sort and doing Saturday air. Air exception paid $10/hr and OT after 8. I worked a lot of 50 hour weeks. The only bright spot was my OT was paid at PT red circle rate.

Southern. Had 4 pay codes all low.

How much ground were you guys delivering?

 

[GOODWIN]

Air exception driver plus working your PT sort and doing Saturday air. Air exception paid $10/hr and OT after 8. I worked a lot of 50 hour weeks. The only bright spot was my OT was paid at PT red circle rate.

I was an a preloader, air driver ,temporarily cover driver , driver helper also. The 22.4 thing sounds good to me at least your guaranteed 40.

 

[GOODWIN]

How much ground were you guys delivering?

Only ground when cover driving. Usually covering sick call after loading

 

[DeadOnArrival]

My vote is sent, be sure to vote, regardless of a no or yes vote.. Just vote.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I’ve read everything on TDU,UPSRising,Browncafe and every word in the Master and my region and honestly I like it

1. Retirement after 30 is great.
2. My health insurance is still payed for by UPS.
3. At least the 22.4 drivers are full time. I got screwed in the 90’s workin 50+ hours a week part time . They can only hire 1 22.4 for every 4 drivers hired. .
4. Over 40 dollars an hour at the end of this contract plus all my benefits paid. Where else can you make that much money hustling packages.
I know I’ll have to leave browncafe after posting this but please everyone read all the propaganda on BOTH sides then vote.

Well, shoot, since you put it that way...

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

where do you go to vote? Am I supposed to get something in the mail to tell me where? Because I haven't