Voting Starts Next Week! How will you vote and why.

[542thruNthru]

I don't tell others how to vote, that is shady.

I do my best not to tell people how to vote as well. So you won't vote on the Master because your local recommends a certain vote. It's your right but seems childish to me.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

This is about fairness not equality. We understand part timers will earn less but the existing old par timers need a catch up .70 cents? Common!!! They do all the hard work sweating, loading trucks for pennies. Thats an insult to their intelligence. This contract is very bad for them and all others. Numbers and contract language doesn't match. Dennis Taylor look at the numbers to his favor not to Teamsters Members. Vote No.

It is $.70 the first year, with a total of $4.15 over the next 4 years. For an employee (5 or 6 years?) currently at $16/hr, that is almost 26%. Say an employee (2 years?) at $14, that's a 5% raise this year and almost 30% overall.

I just wonder what is going to be enough. It has taken decades for PT wage to fall this far behind, how could it be fiscally possible to correct that in one contract?

Serious questions, how much will be enough? How could it responsibly be done?

 

[WTFm8]

There won't be a strike, just the threat. Do you think anyone wants to run a route with orion? UPS would really be in trouble.

Run mine on Orion. 175-190 stops including ~18 pickups in 48-55 mile dispatched days. 92-95% compliance also.

Somehow I’m 2-7 miles and 1-1.5hrs over all the time tho.

 

[Non sequitur]

Congratulations you got guts. To many self absorb management types over the years ruined any sense of trust. It really is a shame.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

It's not removed, it's been merged with the 80 other threads about the same topic.

 

[Slug Life]

Heavy pkg speaks the truth. The younger generation isn’t going to hang.

Not all but most of them suck.

Amen to that. A bunch of pencil whipping jabroni’s.

 

[Brown287]

Why vote no.....you ask. Well for starters we shouldn’t have a national pay scale, if you are living somewhere that has a median income of let’s say 43K like Phoenix your purchasing power is completely different of someone in let’s say San Jose where the median income is 115K. One driver is making more than twice the median where as the other is making below. Someone mentioned pension, well it’s impossible to compare pensions when each have their own rules and qualifying standards. I ask you.....who’s the one who’s truly gonna benefit from the new retirement language in regards to the 1900 difference. I’m voting no in defiance to the union not UPS. The union is failing us....not UPS. God help us if the Teamsters were running UPS we’d of already been in the streets.

 

[GOODWIN]

It's not removed, it's been merged with the 80 other threads about the same topic.

Right in the middle of the vote no campaign.

 

[Siveriano]

mine its giving a error, once i put the code.

 

[Over70irregs]

Just vote yall. Yea or Nay I don’t care. Send your message so we can all witness how much sway we have.

 

[El Correcto]

I’ve read everything on TDU,UPSRising,Browncafe and every word in the Master and my region and honestly I like it

1. Retirement after 30 is great.
2. My health insurance is still payed for by UPS.
3. At least the 22.4 drivers are full time. I got screwed in the 90’s workin 50+ hours a week part time . They can only hire 1 22.4 for every 4 drivers hired. .
4. Over 40 dollars an hour at the end of this contract plus all my benefits paid. Where else can you make that much money hustling packages.
I know I’ll have to leave browncafe after posting this but please everyone read all the propaganda on BOTH sides then vote.

Why accept the first offer?
Do you walk into a used car dealership with this attitude.

Me personally I’m a cheap ass, I had them take the dealership floor mats out of my car to lower the price. This contract needs to be sent back to the table in my opinion, there’s concessions and gray area added to the language that needs to be addressed.

 

[El Correcto]

Also I got weather tech floor mats in my car for roughly the same price and a lot better quality.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I'm fine with raises just keeping up with inflation. It sounds like we've gotten above inflation rate raises from the beginning. If it would help fix the contract in other areas I, as a full time ground driver, would gladly take less than inflation raises for the life of this contract. If your pay doesn't keep up with inflation, you start losing buying power, so it is effectively like taking a pay cut. But since we're ahead of the game, we can afford to get shorted a little.

The dollar amount can be distracting because all you see is the amount, but you likely don't conceptualize the pay rate over the years with increasing costs. Stagnant wages have been a problem for a long time across numerous industries, and it takes people being unable or unwilling to work for depressed wages for the wages to adjust upwards. What companies and wall street don't understand is that by underpaying their employees, they are strangling the markets they are selling to.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

I’ve read everything on TDU,UPSRising,Browncafe and every word in the Master and my region and honestly I like it

1. Retirement after 30 is great.
2. My health insurance is still payed for by UPS.
3. At least the 22.4 drivers are full time. I got screwed in the 90’s workin 50+ hours a week part time . They can only hire 1 22.4 for every 4 drivers hired. .
4. Over 40 dollars an hour at the end of this contract plus all my benefits paid. Where else can you make that much money hustling packages.
I know I’ll have to leave browncafe after posting this but please everyone read all the propaganda on BOTH sides then vote.

You're sickening.

You're wasting your time here.

Since you have extra time on your hands maybe you can get your GED so that you can spell simple words and know what punctuation is.

 

[Moneythehardway]

I can argue all day that PT workers should not be making $52k a year, that's not what the market dictates and that's not good business. I can argue that PT should not be starting at $31 per hour, as his logic suggests.

"There's money for shareholders and for management, but none for part-timers..." or however it went...
I can argue that UPS has to pay those people as well as pay it's union workers. Even a PTer that makes $20 an hour gets nearly a 21% increase over this contract.

There are a few things to be pissy about in this proposed NMA, money isn't one of them.

So $13 an hour starting for a Union job isn't a money issue?

Right now Washington. D. C minimum wage is $13.25, California's minimum wage will match $13 on January 1, 2020, Washington states minimum wage will be $13.50 starting Jan 1st 2020 more than ups part time starting wage. And more and more states going higher

These are state MINIMUM WAGES and this is what you think a unionized teamster ups member should make? You think it's fine that they will make minimum wage?

Help me understand where "money isn't one of the things to be pissy about" for part timers when they will be making minimum wage

 

[Old Man Jingles]

I sent in my two 'Yes' votes!

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

So $13 an hour starting for a Union job isn't a money issue?

Right now Washington. D. C minimum wage is $13.25, California's minimum wage will match $13 on January 1, 2020, Washington states minimum wage will be $13.50 starting Jan 1st 2020 more than ups part time starting wage. And more and more states going higher

These are state MINIMUM WAGES and this is what you think a unionized teamster ups member should make? You think it's fine that they will make minimum wage?

Help me understand where "money isn't one of the things to be pissy about" for part timers when they will be making minimum wage

Initially $13, up from $10, and climbing to $15.5 in the next 4 years. This is a decades-old issue that PT apathy allowed, it won't be "fixed" over night, or even over 5 years.

 

[DeadOnArrival]

mine its giving a error, once i put the code.

One possibility is you forgot to append the 's' after http, so 'https://' that may not be true or it could.

Another scenario, which is common, is you had a typo with the code the letter printed, triple check that, if it's a no go... then vote through phone. Find a pay phone and wear trench coat too. Just to play along.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Right in the middle of the vote no campaign.

Isn't that where you want your message? No, I guess not, because it will quickly become apparent that your argument is invalid.

 

[DeadOnArrival]

where do you go to vote? Am I supposed to get something in the mail to tell me where? Because I haven't

Mine was laying in the mailbox today, the letter gives you the website, it prompts you for the code in the letter (mine looked like a damn phone number but it worked) then you vote on master and supplement.

Cheers.