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How do you vote?

  • Republican

    Votes: 15 53.6%
  • Democrat

    Votes: 7 25.0%
  • Libertarian

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • Socialist

    Votes: 3 10.7%

  • Total voters
    28

rickyb

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I was fired too. Proud 4 time rehire.
Profligate spending got them austerity because they borrowed money they couldn't pay back to spend on fantastic benefits they couldn't afford. Everyone wants great benefits but they come at a price. If you don't have the money to cover them you only make things worse by borrowing. Sooner or later the bill has to be paid. That's not free money, that money belongs to depositors all over Europe who expect the banks they put their savings into to be careful in their lending practices. If the banks lose that money no one will put money into them causing them to collapse, losing even more money. That has a ripple effect around the world as banks bundle loans into investment vehicles that other banks invest in. Everything is connected these days Ricky. It's not that a bunch of greedy bankers are being mean to the Greeks. They worked with the Greek government to give them loans to help them. The Greeks couldn't cover it so now those fantastic benefits are gone and Greeks are complaining about how austere their lives are now. Cause and effect. And a number of countries are nearly in the same boat, pretty much all in southern Europe. The southern Europeans are much more socialist leaning while the northern Europeans are more work oriented. The notable exception being Norway, which has a small population and a lot of oil. That's allowed them to do things for their population that most countries envy. But it takes having underlying wealth and good management. If all it took was a lot of oil then Venezuela would be a paradise.
america cant control norway. but it figures it can control venezuela, hence the sanctions. maybe im wrong i just thought of that.

ive covered the greek bailouts here, which were to bailout the french and german banks not greece.

also debts that cant be repaid wont. whats happening in europe is a combination of junk economics and class warfare. some of the greeks debt was run up by the US supported dictatorship which makes it automatically illegitimate. and the nazi's stole greek gold back in wwII. in addition the greeks forgave the germans of their debt after the war, but hte germans seem unwilling to return the favor.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
america cant control norway. but it figures it can control venezuela, hence the sanctions. maybe im wrong i just thought of that.

ive covered the greek bailouts here, which were to bailout the french and german banks not greece.

also debts that cant be repaid wont. whats happening in europe is a combination of junk economics and class warfare. some of the greeks debt was run up by the US supported dictatorship which makes it automatically illegitimate. and the nazi's stole greek gold back in wwII. in addition the greeks forgave the germans of their debt after the war, but hte germans seem unwilling to return the favor.
America put sanctions on Venezuela because the rightfully elected president, who is a socialist by the way, was denied the presidency by Maduro who has set himself up as dictator.

The bailouts went to banks that lent money to Greece. You apparently think they should have just given the money to Greece. Why would you throw money away? And what dictatorship are you speaking of? As to Greek gold what has that got to do with the Greek government right now? If they're running up a lot of debt you don't just keep feeding that. You tell them that if they can't afford to pay their bills they are either going to have to work harder or do without the costly benefits. Since no one wants to invest in a country where they're likely to lose their money the Greeks are just going to have to do without.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
America put sanctions on Venezuela because the rightfully elected president, who is a socialist by the way, was denied the presidency by Maduro who has set himself up as dictator.

The bailouts went to banks that lent money to Greece. You apparently think they should have just given the money to Greece. Why would you throw money away? And what dictatorship are you speaking of? As to Greek gold what has that got to do with the Greek government right now? If they're running up a lot of debt you don't just keep feeding that. You tell them that if they can't afford to pay their bills they are either going to have to work harder or do without the costly benefits. Since no one wants to invest in a country where they're likely to lose their money the Greeks are just going to have to do without.
floridays is much more mature when were talking about politics. he actually looks stuff up. why dont you look up the dictatorship in greece which US supported. or how much gold the nazi's stole.
 

floridays

Well-Known Member
Profligate spending got them austerity because they borrowed money they couldn't pay back to spend on fantastic benefits they couldn't afford. Everyone wants great benefits but they come at a price. If you don't have the money to cover them you only make things worse by borrowing. Sooner or later the bill has to be paid. That's not free money, that money belongs to depositors all over Europe who expect the banks they put their savings into to be careful in their lending practices. If the banks lose that money no one will put money into them causing them to collapse, losing even more money. That has a ripple effect around the world as banks bundle loans into investment vehicles that other banks invest in. Everything is connected these days Ricky. It's not that a bunch of greedy bankers are being mean to the Greeks. They worked with the Greek government to give them loans to help them. The Greeks couldn't cover it so now those fantastic benefits are gone and Greeks are complaining about how austere their lives are now. Cause and effect. And a number of countries are nearly in the same boat, pretty much all in southern Europe. The southern Europeans are much more socialist leaning while the northern Europeans are more work oriented. The notable exception being Norway, which has a small population and a lot of oil. That's allowed them to do things for their population that most countries envy. But it takes having underlying wealth and good management. If all it took was a lot of oil then Venezuela would be a paradise.
Spot on. Great job Tex.

I've got one question....... Yes another question from floridays.

How much, in current Greek currency can a guy purchase a hummer in Greece?
Just asking for a friend. @IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
floridays is much more mature when were talking about politics. he actually looks stuff up. why dont you look up the dictatorship in greece which US supported. or how much gold the nazi's stole.
You think I'm talking off the top of my head? You have no idea how much reading I do. You don't want to hear anything but capitalism/corporations/United States bad, communism/socialism/the few countries still embracing that good.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
You think I'm talking off the top of my head? You have no idea how much reading I do. You don't want to hear anything but capitalism/corporations/United States bad, communism/socialism/the few countries still embracing that good.
brave new world was about being overwhelmed by info which is what our society is. and you talk as if you dont read. youve never heard of the greek dictatorship...
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
floridays is much more mature when were talking about politics. he actually looks stuff up. why dont you look up the dictatorship in greece which US supported. or how much gold the nazi's stole.
Can I ask you something? What does a military junta that ruled Greece from 1967-1974 have to do with a socialist Greek government today that spends too much? You made it sound as if Greece is under a dictatorship today.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
Can I ask you something? What does a military junta that ruled Greece from 1967-1974 have to do with a socialist Greek government today that spends too much? You made it sound as if Greece is under a dictatorship today.
do you understand how debt works mister i read alot?
 
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