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Ms.PacMan
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Central Region here. One hour a week in my local for h/w and SERVICE pension. Contributory pension accrues with 1801 hrs per yr.
My guess is that the one hour per week was to guarantee thousands of mobsters...er....Teamsters got to collect a pension
FrigidFTSup
Resident Suit
It's a reality. This about the only workgroup in the world that finds it preposterous they have to pay for any benefits. It's not remotely normal anymore.
KOG72
I’m full of it
We will see,but that is one thing I don't see us giving in too.
Ms.PacMan
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Our jobs (yours included) are preposterous. I think UPS having "normal" people from the rest of the world as employees will be there undoing.
FrigidFTSup
Resident Suit
I don't think enough people pay attention to that stuff anymore. Look at the turnout with the last contract and the recent election.
FrigidFTSup
Resident Suit
I still think it takes a special kind of person to work here. But the thing is, even if hourlies have to contribute a little, the benefits still far exceed the majority of places.
My stepdad is an exec VP of an 8 billion dollar company. When I was a PT hourly I had better health insurance than he did. Let's think about that for a second.
KOG72
I’m full of it
The newbies don't care they just want a paycheck
FrigidFTSup
Resident Suit
The job environment, at least around here, makes it that way. Everything else is just a bonus
3 done 3 to go
In control of own destiny
The same 10 people will vote on the next contract. Then it will pass. Except! One supplement in western Pa. Then the union will again, throw out any votes for the common good. We get the same 
contract.
No 2 teir
No 401k matches
No extra vacations
Hoffa will say look what I've got you guys. Here take my picture -- my fist is in the air for some reason. You guys like that.
Ok where is that UPS plane to take the family to Florida?
contract.No 2 teir
No 401k matches
No extra vacations
Hoffa will say look what I've got you guys. Here take my picture -- my fist is in the air for some reason. You guys like that.
Ok where is that UPS plane to take the family to Florida?
Ms.PacMan
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Yes but they have things like heat and air conditioning, parties and potluck - on the clock, etc.
Honestly the benefits have a minimal cost (just money accruing in a pot) if they aren't used and I know that we are one of the healthiest workforces.
I'd would think it's all pretty even.
Over 70
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I would quit tomorrow if top rate down the road wasn't there. The career isn't worth anything less than top rate to me. In fact the healthcare and pension are what really makes it worth it.
Progression is nothing more than an investment in my eyes. Just because fedex guys, and Amazon people are willing to work for pennies doesn't mean I'm going to. Cut wages, raise the burden on the employee for Healthcare costs, cut the pension. That's fine.
I can go work construction and make nearly 50/HR operating heavy equipment and low 40's/HR to labor via prevailing wage. Worse work conditions and a lot of traveling which I didn't care for but jeeze there's money to be made if you have a good head on your shoulders and aren't afraid to get your hands dirty...
I would think in the end these are the type of people that eventually grind it out at UPS and make it in the long run. These same people will say to hell with it if things go backwards because they are the type that can always find decent work anywhere because sharp hard workers are hard to find today.
The company my dad works for went two tier wages a decade back and it's been a nightmare. The age old saying "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. They in fact just recently substantially raised wages/bennies for the second tier because they are dying for qualified people that will stick around. The current meter reader who makes 11/HR asked my dad what the job paid when he started 32 years ago. The answer. 13/HR.
Until things swing back to companies investing in their workforce instead of shareholders, I'm afraid things will continue to get worse for everyone.
Progression is nothing more than an investment in my eyes. Just because fedex guys, and Amazon people are willing to work for pennies doesn't mean I'm going to. Cut wages, raise the burden on the employee for Healthcare costs, cut the pension. That's fine.
I can go work construction and make nearly 50/HR operating heavy equipment and low 40's/HR to labor via prevailing wage. Worse work conditions and a lot of traveling which I didn't care for but jeeze there's money to be made if you have a good head on your shoulders and aren't afraid to get your hands dirty...
I would think in the end these are the type of people that eventually grind it out at UPS and make it in the long run. These same people will say to hell with it if things go backwards because they are the type that can always find decent work anywhere because sharp hard workers are hard to find today.
The company my dad works for went two tier wages a decade back and it's been a nightmare. The age old saying "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. They in fact just recently substantially raised wages/bennies for the second tier because they are dying for qualified people that will stick around. The current meter reader who makes 11/HR asked my dad what the job paid when he started 32 years ago. The answer. 13/HR.
Until things swing back to companies investing in their workforce instead of shareholders, I'm afraid things will continue to get worse for everyone.
PT Car Washer
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Sounds like PT UPS. $11/hr PTer asked me how much I make 30 years ago. Over $13/hr.
refineryworker05
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I was in the USW union for 11yrs before I went management.
But when I was in the union, one thing we never did was publicly discuss what we'd be willing to get screwed on or giving the company ideas about what to take away from us.
It makes no sense to say oh we are gonna lose this or lose that.
But when I was in the union, one thing we never did was publicly discuss what we'd be willing to get screwed on or giving the company ideas about what to take away from us.
It makes no sense to say oh we are gonna lose this or lose that.
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pickup
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I think you might be pregnant or menopausal based on the fact that you haven't had a period in a long time.
Please consult with a doctor or an English teacher.
What do you expect to lose or receive with the upcoming contract.
Try to stay on topic and don't believe anyone who thinks the strike will work, Orion has fixed that and 97 we went on strike the company was crippled; they will not be caught with your pants down again
and they won't with the inflammation of the new technology
but we need not to stick our heads in the sand like we get a 97 regarding the pension and now central states is going belly up in seven years it needs to be fixed
and it may have to be, with the upcoming class of new employees not receiving the current benefits we have
such as high pay into retirement - may be a 401(k) match and a tiered a system what's your thoughts
Try to stay on topic and don't believe anyone who thinks the strike will work, Orion has fixed that and 97 we went on strike the company was crippled; they will not be caught with your pants down again
and they won't with the inflammation of the new technology
but we need not to stick our heads in the sand like we get a 97 regarding the pension and now central states is going belly up in seven years it needs to be fixed
and it may have to be, with the upcoming class of new employees not receiving the current benefits we have
such as high pay into retirement - may be a 401(k) match and a tiered a system what's your thoughts
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Future
Victory Ride
Holy crap.....what?
Indecisi0n
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I believe this contract UPS will finally come to appreciate all the hard work we do for them and give us a fair contract.
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