Drivers only graduated high school with C average

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How many drivers are willing to go into management these days?
Seems everyone has ideas but no one wants to fix it.

Have you considered going into management?

We have one current on road who was a driver with me.

He's a good on road

Got his degree before he came to ups

We have two drivers currently on the pool.

They won't get promoted because they don't have degrees

We had a 25 year driver who tried to go into management for his last 5 years because he's knees were going and he still wanted to contribute. Was told he didn't have the experience because he didn't have a degree.

I approached my center manager back in the day and was told he thinks I'd be a great supervisor.

But he couldn't get me promoted (DM decision) because I never finished my degree

when I was a policeman I applied at a department that required a degree OR military/law enforcement experience and was hired without a degree

Why won't ups do the same?

 

[Catatonic]

Too many horror stories about being moved around as soon as your numbers don't add up.

Like I said ... lots of complaining, lots of ideas but not many willing to actually do something.

Don't get me wrong ... I understand your stance and agree with you.

I tried to never approach my management with a problem unless I had a plan to fix it.
Most the time, I never approached my management ... I just fixed it.
And I never got fired for fixing things ... admonished a few times I must admit.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Like I said ... lots of complaining, lots of ideas but not many willing to actually do something.

Don't get me wrong ... I understand your stance and agree with you.

I tried to never approach my management with a problem unless I had a plan to fix it.
Most the time, I never approached my management ... I just fixed it.
And I never got fired for fixing things ... admonished a few times I must admit.

 

[Catatonic]

We have one current on road who was a driver with me.

He's a good on road

Got his degree before he came to ups

We have two drivers currently on the pool.

They won't get promoted because they don't have degrees

We had a 25 year driver who tried to go into management for his last 5 years because he's knees were going and he still wanted to contribute. Was told he didn't have the experience because he didn't have a degree.

I approached my center manager back in the day and was told he thinks I'd be a great supervisor.

But he couldn't get me promoted (DM decision) because I never finished my degree

when I was a policeman I applied at a department that required a degree OR military/law enforcement experience and was hired without a degree

Why won't ups do the same?

Big Corporations have Big rules and it takes a Big person to buck those rules.
I helped get a person promoted without a degree but with the understanding that no raises until a degree was obtained.
It was like pulling teeth though and I had a DM backing me 100%.
Obviously, it was my DM who made it happen but I did all the footwork.

 

[MyTripisCut]

Big Corporations have Big rules and it takes a Big person to buck those rules.
I helped get a person promoted without a degree but with the understanding that no raises until a degree was obtained.
It was like pulling teeth though and I had a DM backing me 100%.

Poor bastid is probably still making 37 G a year.....

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Big Corporations have Big rules and it takes a Big person to buck those rules.
I helped get a person promoted without a degree but with the understanding that no raises until a degree was obtained.
It was like pulling teeth though and I had a DM backing me 100%.

That is the problem with UPS. They always worry about the wrong numbers

 

[Catatonic]

Poor bastid is probably still making 37 G a year.....

Person left the company to work for Equifax making more than I did as a 40 year UPS manager.

 

[MyTripisCut]

Person left the company to work for Equifax making more than I did as a 40 year UPS manager.

That the only reason I ever gave management a thought. Use it to catapult to a better position in a different company.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

That the only reason I ever gave management a thought. Use it to catapult to a better position in a different company.

When my son was nearing the end of his MBA program we started sending out (electronically) applications and resumes. UPS was near the top of his list for the reason that you mentioned.

I was amazed at how much easier it is to apply for jobs with the Internet.

 

[Catatonic]

That is the problem with UPS. They always worry about the wrong numbers

Big Corporation.
I swore if I ever worked again, it would never be at a Corporation.
There is no conscience in a Corporation.
Corporations are good for the economy and the consumer but they are generally crappy places to work ... even HP is a crappy place these days and it was the poster child, 20 years ago, as a good place to work.
Corporations = Good pay, good insurance and 401k but dehumanizing.
Good thing is, once you retire, you are better off than most people.

 

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Big Corporations have Big rules and it takes a Big person to buck those rules.
I helped get a person promoted without a degree but with the understanding that no raises until a degree was obtained.
It was like pulling teeth though and I had a DM backing me 100%.
Obviously, it was my DM who made it happen but I did all the footwork.

So you're saying its a cop out to promote people with a degree while not only letting an experienced pool of prospective sups languish in hell but getting treat them like crap too?

Did something go wrong with the 100 year practice of promoting from within despite education and treating your employees well?




Honestly, I don't see an ORS position as a degreed spot. That's a place you could put a driver to see if he works well and then he could get his degree to move up. It really is such a low level spot

I also don't see it as something that should be blocked from drivers with 10< years left. At that point valuable experience would be an asset to a management team. Sort of an E9 spot or even a first shirt type position.

 

[Catatonic]

That the only reason I ever gave management a thought. Use it to catapult to a better position in a different company.

These days, except for a few, that is the smart move for UPS management.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

So you're saying its a cop out to promote people with a degree while not only letting an experienced pool of prospective sups languish in hell but getting treat them like crap too?

Did something go wrong with the 100 year practice of promoting from within despite education and treating your employees well?




Honestly, I don't see an ORS position as a degreed spot. That's a place you could put a driver to see if he works well and then he could get his degree to move up. It really is such a low level spot

I also don't see it as something that should be blocked from drivers with 10< years left. At that point valuable experience would be an asset to a management team. Sort of an E9 spot or even a first shirt type position.

I wonder how many others have a clue as to what this means.

 

[Catatonic]

So you're saying its a cop out to promote people with a degree while not only letting an experienced pool of prospective sups languish in hell but you treat them like crap too?

Did something go wrong with the 100 year practice of promoting from within despite education and treating your employees well?




Honestly, I don't see an ORS position as a degreed spot. That's a place you could put a driver to see if he works well and then he could get his degree to move up. It really is such a low level spot

I also don't see it as something that should be blocked from drivers with 10< years left. At that point valuable experience would be an asset to a management team. Sort of an E9 spot or even a first shirt type position.

Think about it.
The ORS position is extremely at risk.
I don't see another position in the UPS operating center that is more likely to be eliminated than the ORS position.
Then what do you do with that person?

 

[MyTripisCut]

So you're saying its a cop out to promote people with a degree while not only letting an experienced pool of prospective sups languish in hell but getting treat them like crap too?

Did something go wrong with the 100 year practice of promoting from within despite education and treating your employees well?




Honestly, I don't see an ORS position as a degreed spot. That's a place you could put a driver to see if he works well and then he could get his degree to move up. It really is such a low level spot

I also don't see it as something that should be blocked from drivers with 10< years left. At that point valuable experience would be an asset to a management team. Sort of an E9 spot or even a first shirt type position.

You are correct. But with telematics and Orion and lord knows what else, corporate seems to think they know it ALL about our job. Years ago, a 20 year driver was valued for his knowledge of the ins and outs of the job. Now, he is just an overpaid slug.

 

[Catatonic]

I wonder how many others have a clue as to what this means.

Pick a sentence and concentrate on that particular one ... ignore the others.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

You are correct. But with telematics and Orion and lord knows what else, corporate seems to think they know it ALL about our job. Years ago, a 20 year driver was valued for his knowledge of the ins and outs of the job. Now, he is just an overpaid slug.

In a smaller center such as mine veterans still have value.

 

[Catatonic]

Years ago, a 20 year driver was valued for his knowledge of the ins and outs of the job. Now, he is just an overpaid slug.

Actually, nothing more than an expensive resource.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Pick a sentence and concentrate on that particular one ... ignore the others.

I was referring to the two words that I bolded.

Do you have any what a first shirt is?

 

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Think about it.
The ORS position is extremely at risk.
I don't see another position in the UPS operating center that is more likely to be eliminated than the ORS position.
Then what do you do with that person?

I joke about this all the time

::hone rings::::

Driver: hello
Automated call: this is the UPS automated on road supervisor. We are requesting you cover the 32h picks ups. Can you comply?

Driver: No I have to . . .

Phone: we acknowledge a positive response. Thank you for covering those pick ups

driver: no I said no

Phone: we acknoledge your positive response

Have a nice day