TOS--
Whever the subject of terrorism and radical Islam is mentioned here on Brown Cafe, you correctly point out the fact that over 2 billion Muslims worldwide did not commit an act of violence yesterday. You correctly point out that mainstream Islam is a religion of peace, not war. You correctly point out that blaming the majority for the violent and irresponsible acts of a few is the very definition of ignorance, narrow-mindedness and BIGOTRY. And if you look back at our posts on the subject, you will find that you and I have been in agreement over this fact.
So why then is it somehow acceptable for you to turn around and blame the almost 200 million law-abiding American gun owners who didnt commit a crime yesterday for the violent and murderous acts of a few?
Bigotry is bigotry. You cant have it both ways. Blaming the many for the actions of a few is wrong. Buying into ignorant and fear-based stereotypes is wrong. Blaming a PEACEFUL and LAW-ABIDING organization like the NRA for the murderous acts of a lunatic....is WRONG.
You draw conclusions about who I am and how I act based solely upon the fact that I happen to own guns. Would it be OK for you do the same if I were a Muslim?
Sober, Let me be clear with you. I RESPECT your views as they inspire thought and education. I RESPECT your right to have your guns for your own protections.
Where I separate from you is the logic behind those guns. I do not want to take your handgun, or your shotgun or even your 30-06 rifle if you live in the woods. What i dont want to see is ASSAULT weapons in peoples homes.
There is NO argument that can be made to have such things. There is no argument that can be made for a private citizen having "Jacketed" rounds.
There is NO argument that can be made for having 100 round drum mags, or magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
These are the weapons or WMD's of WAR, and not home protection.
Unlike the muslims, there isnt just a "few" bad apples with guns in this country. There are THOUSANDS, and just like the muslims, none of the proper gun owners are doing anything to separate themselves or stop those who would commit such acts.
Right now as we speak, there are thousands of people in this country stockpiling military style weapons and ammo for their eventual emotional breakdown and then its another massacre.
You want to call the NRA a "law abiding" organization? Its A LOBBYING GROUP. What is its function other than to LOBBY politicians on behalf of the gun makers and gun dealers?
They spend BILLIONS on capitol hill on behalf of the gun makers and gun dealers.
The NRA spends a majority of its time promoting the use of weapons on "people" by using extreme rhetoric that inspires those with mental challenges to commit horrendous acts.
There is NOTHING the NRA does that helps the innocent people of america who chose not to own weapons. Let me ask you this?
WHAT DID THE NRA DO TO HELP THE 20 CHILDREN IN CT?
What has the NRA done in this country to protect schools? How much money has the NRA donated to the school system to provide "armed" security to protect them from its members?
Over the years, 62 mass murders have been committed. 59 of them by NRA members and all of them white. 1 Korean shot up Vir Tech and 1 woman shot up the postal service.
Do you see a pattern here??
If ONE ORGANIZATION consistently has its MEMBERS committing serious crimes where 10's of people are killed, I dont think you can call that organization "law abiding".
When we speak of AL QAEDA, we consider them all dangerous, dont we? If your answer is yes, then you would also have to consider the NRA dangerous as well.
But all that aside, my concerns lie with the mental state of people who want to own guns. Like i said many times, I dont understand why people who feel they need guns live in such fear of others. Whether or not its a childhood memory that scares them, or propaganda from a political party that makes people think the country is coming to an end.
Believe me, We made it through GEORGE W BUSH and the country was still standing, allbeit almost knocked out, but we are still here.
One political party has nothing else to sell the american public other than hate and fear. Divide and conquer as they say.
Just watch doomsday preppers, and "LISTEN" to what these people are saying, and then ask yourself, where are they getting their information that they in turn, change into a doomsday scenario?
You will find that ALL OF IT, comes from RIGHT WING sources. Professional THINK TANKS like the heritage foundation, use pyschology to control, those that listen to them.
This country has to wake up in light of this tragedy.
I imagine NO ONE on this board who supports guns has considered the carnage that happened to those 20 children. I know YOU know what I am talking about.
Those .223 rounds that hit those kids and teachers most likely blew arms off, or even cut kids in half, or blew their faces off. Its a tough admission, but it has TO BE MADE.
We CANT IGNORE what happened by thinking they all died a peaceful death with a simple little bullet.
Those kids got blown away and layed on the ground overnight BLEEDING OUT on the floor until they could be photographed, tagged, identified and examined.
What if they were YOUR kids?
Is that how you would want your kids last moments on earth to be like? What about the rest of you?
This shooting was HORRIFIC in many ways, and Understanding that is the first thing we have to do as americans, instead of the same old KNEE JERK reactions like GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.
The .223 round on a child is like using a hand grenade on a crowd.
.223
Test Protocol
Tests 1-6:
Bare gelatin, heavy clothing, automobile sheet metal, wallboard, plywood, and vehicle windshield safety glass, were shot a distance of 10 feet from the muzzle. The vehicle safety glass was set at an angle of 45 degrees to the horizontal, with the line of bore of the rifle/SMG offset 15 degrees to the side resulting in a compound angle of impact for the bullet upon the glass, which simulates a shot directed at the driver of a car closely missing the shooter. Furthermore, the gelatin was covered with light clothing and set back 18 inches behind the glass. All gelatin blocks, with the exception of the body armor barrier, were set 18 inches behind each solid obstacle shot.
Tests 7-13:
All involved shots through heavy clothing, safety glass and bare gelatin at 50 to 100 yards, concluding with internal walls, external walls and body armor at 10 feet. Test eight however, involved safety glass at 20 yards, shot dead-on, without the 15 degree offset, to simulate a shot at a car’s driver bearing down on the shooter.
For the connivance of the reader, test results are summarized in the following chart. Please note that the data displayed represents the average penetration of these rounds as measured in 10% ballistic gelatin (see tables 1 and 2).
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onsidering that the average person’s torso is 9 inches thick, front to back, all the .223 rounds ranging in weight from 55 to 69 grains appear to be adequate performers on soft targets where frontal shots are involved. Although the majority of target engagements are frontal, profile shots can and do occur. A .223 round that is required to pass through an arm before entering the rib cage mat, upon striking bone, fragment, and while possibly shattering the appendage, would most likely not be successful in producing a sufficiently deep body cavity wound to be decisive. In this, as with any CQB encounter, "controlled pairs," or rapid-repeat hits may be required to ensure target neutralization."""
About .223 Penetration
You all may think ignoring what happened makes it ok, but it doesnt. This was a very graphic murder scene and those kids paid with their lives just so some gun maker could make a buck.
WAKE UP AMERICA.
Peace
TOS
