New Social Security bill

1989

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DJIA at the close on January 20 2009......7949. DJIA at the close on January 20 2017.......19732.
In reality, the Obama market started in November the night of the election. It is forward looking. Dow Jones was about 9600. Which it hit a low of about 6400 in March. At the time, the Fed was big player. More like the only player. By the way, the Fed is still in the drivers seat.
 

1989

Well-Known Member
You see that last sentence clearly discloses your worries. Face it you're not well enough off or secure enough economically not to be facing the likelihood that you will in the end become quite dependent on government managed programs that are very rich in socialist ideology but will do quite nicely indeed when it comes to your ability to deal effectively with the ravages of ageing. If it wasn't then why do they called it SOCIAL Security? "Social Insurance" LMAO For people like you and OMJ "social insurance" is a social program designed to provide for you welfare but the ones that don't are pure evil. Why? Because with them it's socialism. You're not fooling anybody . You're scared to death that the social programs YOU will be counting on are not going to be there. Demonizing the ones you won't qualify for will do nothing to secure the continued availability of the ones you know you'll be dependent on.
It’s called a pension in other countries. I’ve paid about $250,000 (500,000 with company match) so far. With 500K one can easily generate $2500 a month. What does SS pay out?
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
At least I won't be a burden to them and if it were not for the "SOCIALIST" old age programs currently in existence you in your old age would most definitely be a burden to yours because who else would you have to turn to in your time of need?
Most likely I have several more millions than you do.
I can do whatever you can do and more ... and the best thing is my family doesn’t hate me like yours does.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Most likely I have several more millions than you do.
I can do whatever you can do and more ... and the best thing is my family doesn’t hate me like yours does.
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bacha29

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It’s called a pension in other countries. I’ve paid about $250,000 (500,000 with company match) so far. With 500K one can easily generate $2500 a month. What does SS pay out?
All depends on your 35 highest earning years. Yes the ROI is modest but the risk factors that accompany higher return investments aren't there. And in 2008 a lot of people saw their investments in those higher risk markets take a huge plunge. Friends of mine who had their retirement savings invested in the stock of the local bank saw it disappear as the result of an FDIC ordered merger with a stronger bank . Oh yeah, if you want bigger returns fine provided that you'll accept the risks and are certain that you'll never outlive your money.
 

1989

Well-Known Member
Oooook....
If you're not withdrawing the money then it isn't relevant to a discussion about social security at all.
I’m withdrawing the gains. And living off those funds at age 50. At age 65 we are talking over 700K in principle payments to the system.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
Just buying a 500K annuity gets you about 2150 a month
Oookay, so that's basically like garbage SS returns.

I'm not defending SS I think it should be optional, I'm just saying be a little more realistic. Drop the withdrawal rate to 4% and the likelihood of not outliving your money goes up to 94%.

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1989

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Oookay, so that's basically like garbage SS returns.

I'm not defending SS I think it should be optional, I'm just saying be a little more realistic. Drop the withdrawal rate to 4% and the likelihood of not outliving your money goes up to 94%.

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That is 4% without trying. But if you assume your 4% over a 30 year period. Your principal is about 1mil. You really couldn’t find a way to yield 6%?
 
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