Raised in a family of Church of Christ ministers. Baptized when I was 16.
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Thebrownblob
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Gotcha From what I can tell, this seems to be a common practice for some church of Christ members to look for arguments. Like I said, I’m certain there’s plenty of very good members of that church.
FromOffTheStreets
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Fellas, if salvation was only after the correct baptism, as COC states. Would Jesus not have gathered up the disciples & took them out to the water & baptized them all after the resurrection?
This all reminds me of "the circumcision," those jews were trying to add things to salvation. Don't let the modern "circumcisors" overtake your faith.
This all reminds me of "the circumcision," those jews were trying to add things to salvation. Don't let the modern "circumcisors" overtake your faith.
BrownFlush
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What does the Bible teach is correct baptism?
It's not recorded what they did concerning baptism after the resurrection. Can't say what happened either way.
What is recorded is what they told everyone else to do and the purpose it was done.
Speaking of circumcision ... "In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead." Col. 2:11-12
Looks like Paul is teaching of an operation that takes place when one is baptized. There is a surgery taking place in baptism.
Ahhh..who needs it.
BrownFlush
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Scripture?
FromOffTheStreets
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You once told me that my baptism didn't count because my grandpa performed it out at some pond by his house and I wasn't sure if he had done it for the remission of sins or not. It was 20 years ago & I didn't know what words he said.
You also told me that if a missionary overseas was murdered during his mission and hadn't been baptized "in the right way" that he was going to sheol.
FromOffTheStreets
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If it was as important to convert as you propose, Don't you think they would have mentioned it?
I mean, Jesus was on the seashore cooking the fish , they come off the boat. They all could have gotten baptized and became officially converted. But they didn't...
They did tell others to do it, but not in every instance. You pick out the instances where it's included & disregard the instances where it's not included.
BrownFlush
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Negative on both. I remember the grandpa story but not the missionary story.
The words that your grandpa said or didn't say didn't make your baptism scriptural or unscriptural. What makes a baptism scriptural if you knew what you were doing it for. If I recall right you were saved before the pond scene.
Same would be the for a missionary. Alive or dead. If he was teaching that baptism was because one was saved and not to be saved (an important symbol you said) he was teaching the baptism I can't find and you haven't showed me in scripture. The Sheol deal is God's call.
BrownFlush
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The HS "mentioned " it enough for us to know what to do. I don't "propose" anything. Jesus said to preach belief and baptism to be saved.
lol. Well, this is proof that it's not necessary! You deciding what Jesus and the disciples should have done but didn't. And what the HS should have recorded and not recorded.
So there were two different gospels being preached? Paul told the Galatians there was one and if anyone preached another they would be accursed.
So the Bible teaches that some are baptized for the remission of sins and others are saved by faith only?
Where are these contradiction(s).
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FromOffTheStreets
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Circumcision was the outward sign of the inward "removal of flesh. " It was replaced by baptism , which is the outward sign of the inward "removal of flesh, or sin."
Inward is what counts.
1 cor. 7: 19 For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.
Inward is what counts.
BrownFlush
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Inward does count. It needs to count enough to do what God commands for the reason he commanded it.
Our circumcision today is a spiritual one, “in the heart” (Rom. 2:28, 29). The circumcision of Abraham and David was made with hands upon the flesh. The “circumcision of Christ” is “made without hands.” Old Testament circumcision cut off excess flesh. The New Testament “circumcision of Christ” cuts away and puts “off the body of the sins of the flesh.” This spiritual surgery is performed by the Lord when one is “buried with him in baptism” It is a work of God.
Until one has this surgery, has the body of sins of the flesh been cut away?
FromOffTheStreets
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Baptism isn't the gospel.
I know in your mind it is because it allows some control to be filtered into your own hands, religiously. Your practicing the religion of the ancient jews. A check must be written on my part to atone for my sins.
You get into the water because of your understanding of what he did for you. The entire account was paid for at the cross. Your getting in & coming out isn't paying a dime. Your doing it to proclaim your faith publicly & because it is a command
BrownFlush
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Jesus said, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel, He that believes and is baptized shall be saved."- Mark 16:15-16
Looks like Jesus certainly thought baptism was a big part of the good news.
Looks like it was in Jesus' mind, too.
Having trouble understanding the control statement. I think we all better exercise a little control when we exercise the choices we make religiously.
How so?
I got in the water to obey the commandment of Jesus and the Apostles. To be saved, have my sins remitted and washed away.
Do I need to post the verses again?
Got a verse?
BrownFlush
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BrownFlush
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This requires scripture. (Bible)
Where?
Scripture?
Where does the Bible teach this?
Integrity
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The Bible indicates that baptism is not necessary for salvation in passages such as Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:22, and Romans 4. These passages teach that salvation is by faith alone, not by works.
BrownFlush
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These folks were already baptized. He’s talking to members of the church. They were already Christians. He wasn’t telling them how to be saved.
Can you give me the passage that says baptism is a work?
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BrownFlush
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He’s that believes and is baptized shall be saved….
Is faith the gospel?
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