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rickyb

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No, they aren't. Were in the past I guess but they typically do better financially than average, are more educated, and have the same Constitutional rights as everyone else.
youre saying everything is perfect for gays and native americans which you might be able to relate to
 

vantexan

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well jesus sides with the oppressed and you seem to make a break with jesus on that point.
Jesus never told us to be out on the streets protesting. We are told to render to Caesar what's Caesar's (pay taxes). We're told to obey the law. We are to help the poor, visit those in jail, love our neighbor as ourselves. It's not the in your face, tear everything down, that you want. You would know this if you would take the time to read your Bible. And nowhere in the New Testament are we told that Jesus would speak to us in person and tell us how to do everything. We aren't told to condone sin either. Anyone who tells you believe what he tells you instead of what the Bible teaches us because he got it straight from God is a liar. Now I fully expect you to ignore all this and come back at me with more gobbledygook.
 

rickyb

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Jesus never told us to be out on the streets protesting. We are told to render to Caesar what's Caesar's (pay taxes). We're told to obey the law. We are to help the poor, visit those in jail, love our neighbor as ourselves. It's not the in your face, tear everything down, that you want. You would know this if you would take the time to read your Bible. And nowhere in the New Testament are we told that Jesus would speak to us in person and tell us how to do everything. We aren't told to condone sin either. Anyone who tells you believe what he tells you instead of what the Bible teaches us because he got it straight from God is a liar. Now I fully expect you to ignore all this and come back at me with more gobbledygook.
jesus was a insurrectionist and revolutionary. the romans feared the radical bible. he was given the MLK treatment.

why should you obey anti christian laws? some laws are against being a good christian
 

rickyb

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Jesus never told us to be out on the streets protesting. We are told to render to Caesar what's Caesar's (pay taxes). We're told to obey the law. We are to help the poor, visit those in jail, love our neighbor as ourselves. It's not the in your face, tear everything down, that you want. You would know this if you would take the time to read your Bible. And nowhere in the New Testament are we told that Jesus would speak to us in person and tell us how to do everything. We aren't told to condone sin either. Anyone who tells you believe what he tells you instead of what the Bible teaches us because he got it straight from God is a liar. Now I fully expect you to ignore all this and come back at me with more gobbledygook.
the early christians:


JAY: We know much of the Bible was written long after the early Christians and much of the Bible was written once Christianity had become a state religion and, in fact, the religious ideology of the oppressors themselves. The early Christians ain’t that. And that’s where the revolutionary Jesus, that’s where he emerges as the leader of a movement, of an early Christian revolutionary movement.


HEDGES: Well, it’s a revolutionary movement in this sense–and, you know, I’ll see if you agree–in that it understands that power is always the problem, that in order to live the moral life, one must always be alienated and stand in opposition to power on behalf of the oppressed.


JAY: But he was very specific. They were fighting against the Roman Empire.


HEDGES: Well, of course. They were fighting against empire. But that’s how power manifested itself. And there were–Jesus is very clear throughout the gospel that to serve systems you cannot serve two masters. To serve God, one cannot serve systems of power, and certainly systems of empire.


And I think, as David said correctly, that it’s also very clear from the gospel that justice is the physical or public manifestation of love. And it is true that the Roman Empire executes Jesus as an insurrectionist and yet Jesus is also a pacifist. But what Jesus is asking followers to do is to turn their backs on the values that empire imparts. So in our empire it is the values of consumerism, of consumption. And Jesus is opposed to it.


And I think that when we go back and look at the early 19th century, with William Jennings Bryan, all sorts of other figures, the Chautauqua movement, although segregated, but you saw–and certainly the black prophetic tradition saw this–they got that radical message, and then in the early 19th century we had the Rockefellers and the Carnegies, who actually invested tremendous sums of money to promote the prosperity gospel, to challenge this narrative, which had fired up the abolitionists and fired up a lot of the socialists, even those around Debs, and that black prophetic tradition came under assault. You’re seeing it under assault today with the rise of Booker T. Obama and Booker T. Sharpton and the attacks on figures like Jeremiah Wright, Cornel West, and others, and because that core, I think, fundamental message of the gospel is anticapitalist, anti-imperialist. Remember when Jesus is taken to the desert by Satan and Satan offers him not only riches, but control of land, which is empire? And that is a condemnation. The Gospels are such a clear condemnation not just of the Roman Empire, but of empire. And remember, as Jeremiah Wright correctly points out, that Jesus wasn’t white. The Romans were white. Jesus was a person of color and came out of the cast of the oppressed, racially and religiously.
 

Integrity

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Jesus never told us to be out on the streets protesting. We are told to render to Caesar what's Caesar's (pay taxes). We're told to obey the law. We are to help the poor, visit those in jail, love our neighbor as ourselves. It's not the in your face, tear everything down, that you want. You would know this if you would take the time to read your Bible. And nowhere in the New Testament are we told that Jesus would speak to us in person and tell us how to do everything. We aren't told to condone sin either. Anyone who tells you believe what he tells you instead of what the Bible teaches us because he got it straight from God is a liar. Now I fully expect you to ignore all this and come back at me with more gobbledygook.
It seems to me your worship of a book is dangerous.

Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.

You don’t believe in having a personal relationship with the living Jesus.

Do you even believe Jesus is alive?
 

rickyb

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It seems to me your worship of a book is dangerous.

Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.

You don’t believe in having a personal relationship with the living Jesus.

Do you even believe Jesus is alive?
religion can be a dangerous thing

our old tenants told us they were dedicated but they were quite lost.
 

vantexan

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jesus was a insurrectionist and revolutionary. the romans feared the radical bible. he was given the MLK treatment.

why should you obey anti christian laws? some laws are against being a good christian
Romans didn't fear the radical Bible because the New Testament hadn't been written yet. Nowhere did Jesus advocate insurrection. But you are correct in if there are laws that are in conflict with God's law then we are to only follow God's law.
 

vantexan

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It seems to me your worship of a book is dangerous.

Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.

You don’t believe in having a personal relationship with the living Jesus.

Do you even believe Jesus is alive?
I believe Jesus is in heaven with his father. It seems to me you are making it up as you go along because you refuse to accept God's written word given to us as our guide and as our authority. Do you prey?
 

rickyb

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Romans didn't fear the radical Bible because the New Testament hadn't been written yet. Nowhere did Jesus advocate insurrection. But you are correct in if there are laws that are in conflict with God's law then we are to only follow God's law.
we agree with the last part

so what are they talking about?

before star wars becomes a dictatorship, yoda says misread the prophecy could have been....
 

rickyb

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Show me. It's real easy. Book, chapter, verse.
at the beginning of the meaning of christmas video with minister chris hedges, he references how its been corrupted throughout the years :'(

ill send you more quotes brother

jesus was colored. romans were white. they crucify the colored folks like we do.
 

vantexan

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at the beginning of the meaning of christmas video with minister chris hedges, he references how its been corrupted throughout the years :'(

ill send you more quotes brother

jesus was colored. romans were white. they crucify the colored folks like we do.
Jesus was a Jew. And the Romans enslaved plenty of white people. And none of this has anything to do with your claims Jesus was an insurrectionist.
 

rickyb

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Jesus was a Jew. And the Romans enslaved plenty of white people. And none of this has anything to do with your claims Jesus was an insurrectionist.
the jesus was not white if thats what your saying. hes been white washed.

he likely had a skin tone similar to palestinians or people in that area
 
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Integrity

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Romans didn't fear the radical Bible because the New Testament hadn't been written yet. Nowhere did Jesus advocate insurrection. But you are correct in if there are laws that are in conflict with God's law then we are to only follow God's law.
God’s law is the law of love.
 
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