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rickyb

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the rich cannot get salvation by giving their money for social justice any more than you can by fighting the good social justice fight. Go ahead and compare the sermons of Reverend Barber where he calls people to true salvation to Billy Graham in any of his speeches specifically on salvation.

Also, you do realize that Hedges and Barber are pretty well off. They're far from poor or needy
Ok i will compare billy graham
 

tourists24

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Thats what it said

You can give me your definition of it
I have given you the definition several times. You know it. You just refuse to listen because it goes against what you want to believe. You believe Hedges and Barber because they drive your political objectives and not what the bible teaches on salvation itself. There is only one way.
 

rickyb

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I have given you the definition several times. You know it. You just refuse to listen because it goes against what you want to believe. You believe Hedges and Barber because they drive your political objectives and not what the bible teaches on salvation itself. There is only one way.
no you didnt ill watch these later.

billy says you have to turn away from sin right?
 

rickyb

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I have given you the definition several times. You know it. You just refuse to listen because it goes against what you want to believe. You believe Hedges and Barber because they drive your political objectives and not what the bible teaches on salvation itself. There is only one way.
thanks for the videos. i think i get it. but i think his definition of sin is speaking too narrow

take for example los angeles right now. its more and more resembling hell on earth. the hell fires came by global warming, which came from our economic system and possibly war too. the waste and inefficiencies in our economy and war machine is a sin. big oil controlling the market too much is a sin. global warming which only happened because we didnt have the faith to protest and stop it is a sin.

so anyways i think earth will more and more resemble hell if we dont expand our definition of sin and minimizing sinning in the first place.
 

rickyb

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Which form of government or economics does not exploit it’s people? And which country does it correctly?
theres an economic system maybe called a partnership and its where 2 people or many people get together and equally own a business and vote how to run the business. its more popular in spain and italy. its democratic because its 1 person 1 vote. it does not concentrate power which is the opposite of democracy. some of htem are unionized too. and some of them have 3rd parties helping to make the partnership or cooperative as its called work.

a form of government would be democracy, since the power is decentralized vs a political dictatorship where one person has all the power.

power corrupts and its evil. i want something thats least evil.
 

tourists24

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thanks for the videos. i think i get it. but i think his definition of sin is speaking too narrow
sin is sin. period. The whole purpose was to show what salvation itself is. That is the first step of Christianity. Once you've been saved you then walk your life doing God's purpose for you life. That can come in many forms
 

tourists24

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theres an economic system maybe called a partnership and its where 2 people or many people get together and equally own a business and vote how to run the business. its more popular in spain and italy. its democratic because its 1 person 1 vote. it does not concentrate power which is the opposite of democracy. some of htem are unionized too. and some of them have 3rd parties helping to make the partnership or cooperative as its called work.

a form of government would be democracy, since the power is decentralized vs a political dictatorship where one person has all the power.

power corrupts and its evil. i want something thats least evil.
and pure democracy is 50% +1. You don't think that power doesn't get abused? And if that process ends split near 50/50, you don't think the 49% are not going to fight it?
 
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