religion

[oldngray]

Actually meant I you don’t believe Toziers quote. You say you don’t believe the Bible is infallible. Just a bunch of Men writing folklore and traditions.

He likes to cherry pick parts of the Bible he likes and disregard the parts of the Bible that contradict what he wants to believe.

 

[vantexan]

I am of the firm opinion, conviction, belief, and faith that nothing absolutely nothing happens in God’s world by mistake!

Which is why if you see a child being molested you won't lift a finger to stop it. Wouldn't happen if God didn't want it to, right? No moral center. Anything goes. Crazy parent thinks her 8 year old boy is really a girl. Has irreversible operations performed on child. Boy eventually becomes an adult, but sees himself as a man, but can't perform sexually, can't have children. Is totally devastated. Wouldn't have happened if God didn't want it to, right?

 

[rickyb]

Which is why if you see a child being molested you won't lift a finger to stop it. Wouldn't happen if God didn't want it to, right? No moral center. Anything goes. Crazy parent thinks her 8 year old boy is really a girl. Has irreversible operations performed on child. Boy eventually becomes an adult, but sees himself as a man, but can't perform sexually, can't have children. Is totally devastated. Wouldn't have happened if God didn't want it to, right?

i used to work with this heretic and he thought he met his wife as a consequence of god

the matrix teaches us about flip side: coincidence

 

[Integrity]

Interesting you left off the most important part of
Tozier quote

“The Bible is the inevitable outcome of God's continuous speech”

And

“It is the infallible declaration of His mind for us put into our familiar human words”

I think you do that a lot. You just take out the pieces you don’t want to believe if it doesn’t suit you and you personal narrative or belief.

That’s in there my friend.

My bad I saw your other post.

 

[Integrity]

Actually meant I you don’t believe Toziers quote. You say you don’t believe the Bible is infallible. Just a bunch of Men writing folklore and traditions.

I believe every declaration from the mind of God is infallible. I believe as he does the words are the words of man.

You misunderstand my views in your second part of your statement.

 

[Integrity]

Which is why if you see a child being molested you won't lift a finger to stop it. Wouldn't happen if God didn't want it to, right? No moral center. Anything goes. Crazy parent thinks her 8 year old boy is really a girl. Has irreversible operations performed on child. Boy eventually becomes an adult, but sees himself as a man, but can't perform sexually, can't have children. Is totally devastated. Wouldn't have happened if God didn't want it to, right?

So you think all these things are God‘s mistakes?

 

[Integrity]

He likes to cherry pick parts of the Bible he likes and disregard the parts of the Bible that contradict what he wants to believe.

As everyone does, even you.

 

[vantexan]

So you think all these things are God‘s mistakes?

No, I believe God gives us free will and we will be judged according to our actions in life. Any man who would just ignore harm being done to an innocent child because he thinks that's God's will is a pathetic excuse of a man.

 

[Integrity]

No, I believe God gives us free will and we will be judged according to our actions in life. Any man who would just ignore harm being done to an innocent child because he thinks that's God's will is a pathetic excuse of a man.

Ok. So you don’t believe in the Sovereignty God. I respect your belief. I believe God is ultimately sovereign over all things.

He is the potter, we are the clay. Some of us made for noble purposes and some of us made for ignoble purposes.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Ok. So you don’t believe in the Sovereignty God. I respect your belief. I believe God is ultimately sovereign over all things.

He is the potter, we are the clay. Some of us made for noble purposes and some of us made for ignoble purposes.

James 1:13-15

New International Version

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13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their ownevil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

 

[Integrity]

James 1:13-15​

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13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their ownevil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

Matthew 4:1

4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil.

 

[Integrity]

James 1:13-15​

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13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their ownevil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

NIV

Exodus 7:3
"But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt, he will not listen to you"

Exodus 9:12
"But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses"

Exodus 10:20
"But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go"

 

[vantexan]

Ok. So you don’t believe in the Sovereignty God. I respect your belief. I believe God is ultimately sovereign over all things.

He is the potter, we are the clay. Some of us made for noble purposes and some of us made for ignoble purposes.

That's ridiculous. If God is perfect then why would he make ignoble men who do terrible things? We are given free will and make choices. The exception are those born with defects who can't make rational choices. But most of us can make decisions that impact others in good and bad ways. We will be judged on the decisions we make.

 

[vantexan]

Matthew 4:1

4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil.

Did Jesus give in to temptation?

 

[vantexan]

NIV

Exodus 7:3
"But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt, he will not listen to you"

Exodus 9:12
"But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses"

Exodus 10:20
"But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go"

You aren't Moses.

 

[Thebrownblob]

NIV

Exodus 7:3
"But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt, he will not listen to you"

Exodus 9:12
"But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses"

Exodus 10:20
"But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go"

Yes, there’s new scriptures. Where, if you turn away from God, he will let your heart harden, but you were the original person that decided to do whatever you want to do and sin, it always starts with you, deciding to do things your way.

 

[Integrity]

Yes, there’s new scriptures. Where, if you turn away from God, he will let your heart harden, but you were the original person that decided to do whatever you want to do and sin, it always starts with you, deciding to do things your way.

God hardened Pharaoh’s, I believe he can harden yours as well.

 

[Integrity]

You aren't Moses.

And?

 

[Thebrownblob]

You aren't Moses.

But he might have a cool pair of Birkenstocks

 

[Integrity]

Did Jesus give in to temptation?

No, but Scripture states he was tempted.