Integrity
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Not me saying it. The Bible, in Romans 9:21.
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Thebrownblob
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Ignoble does not mean evil or even bad……
“The word noble is derived from the Latin word gnobilis, which literally means knowable. This stems from the idea that important Roman families were well known, even to the lower classes. Related words are nobility, nobleness and nobly. Ignoble means of humble birth, from common or lower class origins”
It really just means that God doesn’t care about class or race. everyone can be used for his kingdom.
I said that we have free will in response to you saying that nothing happens unless it's God's will. If a man molests a child it must be God's will so you won't intervene and stop him. You responded to my saying we have free will by saying God creates the noble and the ignoble. I'll assume you're saying God purposely creates people who do evil things because he has a reason to do so. Is that your position? Remember it's very difficult for us to nail down what you believe because you tend to avoid direct answers. How about taking the time to answer directly?
That's interesting and important information. But as you know words tend to get different meanings and connotations over time. Someone today reading the verse, and not knowing what the origin is, would.likely read into it a modern interpretation. You know the hymn "Amazing Grace?" In the lyrics there's the phrase "for such a wretch as I." I heard a guy in a Bible class react very strongly to the word wretch. He said it was terrible to call people vomit! But when the song was written a wretch was a lost soul. To be wretched was to be in a lost condition. @Integrity has questioned the study of the original Greek and Hebrew texts, saying that's just someone's interpretation. He doesn't seem to get that untold thousands of scholars have studied the languages so that they could get the interpretation right. Doctorates in Greek and Hebrew. He airs it off because he refuses to accept passages that condemn sin. And couldn't be more off base. When one would ignore harm being caused to the weak and defenseless and defend ignoring it by saying it's God's will or it wouldn't be happening then that person is only interested in a religion that allows sin without punishment because some of what the Bible calls sin, like homosexuality, he approves of. So to make his belief system work he has to accept everything that happens as part of God's plan. Even if it's a grown man raping a little girl. That's moral bankruptcy.
Integrity
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I respect your understanding and interpretation of the verse.
I understand and interpret it differently.
Integrity
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I said “Nothing absolutely nothing happens in God’s world by mistake”.
You are commenting on a quote you made up not one that I made.
Integrity
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It appears to me that you know much of the teaching and ways of the Pharisees and little of the teaching, life, and love of Jesus. I believe Jesus is alive and with me in Spirit today.
Integrity
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That God is here and that He is speaking—these truths are back of all other Bible truths; without them there could be no revelation at all. God did not write a book and send it by messenger to be read at a distance by unaided minds. He spoke a Book and lives in His spoken words, constantly speaking His words and
causing the power of them to persist across the years. God breathed on clay and
it became a man; He breathes on men and they become clay. "Return ye children
of men" was the word spoken at the Fall by which God decreed the death of every man, and no added word has He needed to speak. The sad procession of mankind across the face of the earth from birth to the grave is proof that His original Word was enough.
A. W. Tozer, The Pursuit of God, Christian Publications 1982,1993, page 69
causing the power of them to persist across the years. God breathed on clay and
it became a man; He breathes on men and they become clay. "Return ye children
of men" was the word spoken at the Fall by which God decreed the death of every man, and no added word has He needed to speak. The sad procession of mankind across the face of the earth from birth to the grave is proof that His original Word was enough.
A. W. Tozer, The Pursuit of God, Christian Publications 1982,1993, page 69
Show me what I made up?
You believe that Jesus and his Father do not.hold men accountable for the actions they take. That's not the God of the Bible.
Thebrownblob
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In this conversation, it has become evident that words have a little meaning, other than what meaning he places on them at the time.
Thebrownblob
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It his god of the universe.
Integrity
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Integrity
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That is your understanding of the God of the Bible. My understanding of God is different from yours.
Integrity
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Do you ever hear His voice?
Thebrownblob
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It’s called the still small voice. And perhaps yes, more of feeling not a voice, but when and if I do, I don’t just assume it’s telling me the truth right away. I use the Bible or reference to see if it lines up.
Integrity
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You understand it as the still small voice. I understand it as His voice. I suspect it may be the same but we just understand it differently. I don’t know. But I do believe God knows.
I believe and understand it to be actual the opposite. Although I do believe the Bible to be as it claims to be, useful, I believe if the Holy Spirit is speaking to me and it conflicts with the Bible then I must yield in obedience to what God is speaking, not to the Bible.
Thebrownblob
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So you do not believe the Bible is the infallible word of God.
Integrity
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That is correct, I do not believe the Bible is the infallible word of God.
I believe that nothing happens in God’s world by mistake therefore I believe it is no mistake that there are mistakes in the Bible.
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