They were baptized with the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. They were given special gifts. And guided by the Holy Spirit in their teachings. When you say they were mistaken you're saying the Holy.Spirit misguided them. The Apostle Paul would say when he was just giving his opinion and not something given to him by the Holy Spirit. You are expressing your personal views when you claim they are mistaken.
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tourists24
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May I ask what led you to decide as to why you believe this?
Integrity
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Have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit?
Have you been given spiritual gifts?
All of my interactions with God are personal and intimate?
I recognize I am not perfect as I recognize all disciples apart from Christ are not perfect.
Do you have a personal relationship with God?
Integrity
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Don't deflect. Neither you nor I have received what the Apostles did on the Day of Pentecost.
Integrity
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I believe it is for all believers for all time.
Faith and belief that it is for you is a requirement.
You will definitely not receive it if you don’t believe it is for you and desire it as well.
I will pray for your unbelief.
tourists24
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Yes, I am aware of several theories but have limited study of them. By our interactions I assume the belief we both hold are different. I'm curious to hear as to why you believe in what you do pertaining to this?
Pretty passive aggressive. Nowhere are we told we would receive what the Apostles did. Can you perform miracles? Can you fly to India and immediately speak to them in Hindi? Then off to China to speak to them in Mandarin? I believe they could. In order for your personal theology to work you've downplayed their importance in the early Church. They wrote things you disagree with. So they must be mistaken. They were just ordinary men after all. What you're practicing isn't Christianity.
Integrity
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Round and round you go with this.
That's what happens when someone tries to get a straight answer out of you.
Integrity
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For starters, the variety of forms of literature and styles present in this collection of manuscripts defies a word for word dictation theory.
Allegory, parable, letters, church letter, poetry, song, proverb, biographical literature…
I cannot adhere to a literal word for word interpretation of this type of writings, these types of writings require introspection and thought in the depths of a soul to get any understanding from them.
Integrity
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Spin it any way you want it friend.
Apparently We Are Willing to Give Up Our Freedom, Cowering to Trump ... A Power-Mad Con Artist With No Soul
Right in front of our eyes, you're seeing the destruction of Democracy, and the beginning of a Trump dictatorship run by a career criminal.
www.dcreport.org
probably something to do with religion falling in popularity in america.
tourists24
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Do you feel it could be possible that a Godly inspiration through all of the bible's authors could be enough to get the accuracy needed to be considered the word of God Himself? (verbal plenary theory)
Integrity
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I don’t believe it needs to be accurate word for word for it to be viewed as the the word of God, as collected and decided upon from church tradition.
I firmly believe the Bible should not be viewed as less important than it should be nor more important it should be.
It is simply a collection of valuable religious writings that are very useful for instruction in a religious/spiritual life.
No, the verbal plenary theory is IMO flawed as well.
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BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
"Dr"Jeremiah is a false teacher.
Revelation has nothing to do with the "end of days".
There is only one judgment day taught in the scripture.
The "Rapture'' is not found in the Bible or taught in the Bible.
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BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
I will not read the thread backwards again.
I thought..what? Luke? Then I seen what the lost ball in high weeds said.(ricky)
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Integrity
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Church Of Christ False Doctrine -
Church Of Christ What Damns A Person? Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. When a man wants to teach salvation by water baptism he ignores half of the verse. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved! Most definitely. But...
hensleybiblebeliever.com
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Rev.20:11- There are at least three ways to look at this great judgment scene.
1)You can view this great judgment scene as completely focused on first century Rome, with this judgment describing a first century judgment that is not the end of the world.
2) You can view this great judgment scene as completely focused on first century Rome, with this judgment describing the final judgment of first century Rome that we know will happen at the end of the world.
3)You can view this great judgment scene as including Rome and all other enemies of God that came or will come after Rome, with this judgment describing their final judgment at the end of the world.
BrownFush- amillennialist
"Dr"Jeremiah's sight says that we are "living in the time of signs.
Jesus said there will be no sign.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
If one does not believe, he is not a candidate for baptism. The Lord did not waste his time with ignorance. He did not have to say, 'he that believes not and is not baptized will not be saved. If one does not believe, one will not be baptized.Church Of Christ False Doctrine -
Church Of Christ What Damns A Person? Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. When a man wants to teach salvation by water baptism he ignores half of the verse. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved! Most definitely. But...
You might also note what he did not say , since you're into that.
He did not say, "He that believes is saved and can be baptized later."
And is a conjunction that joins belief AND baptism to equal salvation. Both share equal importance. This is the gospel that was preached in the first century by his disciples. If they didn't, it was "another gospel".
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