Seniority...... who's got what???

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I have more classification seniority than 2 drivers who both started their careers by working on the inside.

 

[Feederquacker]

I sort of see your point.

Although, is it not Company seniority? How long you have been with the Company.

Just because you may have only worked 4 or 5 hours a day, you have been with the Company for 10 years. You should have 10 years Company seniority.

Interesting thought. The number of hours worked should be irrelevent for this arguement. After all, feeder generally works longer hours but that doesn't give them more seniority. Don't forget that P/T'ers get paid far less than any friend/T'er as well. For this arguement, a hire date is just that. You don't get re-hired when you go to a Full Time job.

 

[Mugarolla]

Interesting thought. The number of hours worked should be irrelevent for this arguement. After all, feeder generally works longer hours but that doesn't give them more seniority. Don't forget that P/T'ers get paid far less than any friend/T'er as well. For this arguement, a hire date is just that. You don't get re-hired when you go to a Full Time job.

Exactly. But the PT separate classification will never change. It will only help a few but "hurt" many more if it did change. And the majority always rules.

 

[Capone]

Obtaining a license to drive a tractor is no big deal, some people on this site act as if a Class A license is like a college degree it's not, it's just a license that anybody can get unless you have a physical disability or a learning disability ,look around on the road and see who's driving tractor trailers believe me it's not too hard to get one ,in no way should that give you the ability to have more seniority then a guy with more companie seniority ,sorry I know the truth hurts

 

[Bubblehead]

You don't get re-hired when you go to a Full Time job.

Actually, in a way, you do get "rehired" when going from part time to full time.

That's why you get a new seniority date for the classification and they pay you out on the vacations earned as a part timer, while having to wait a year to use newly accruing vacation time at the full time rate.
That's why you start vesting in a different pension plan.

In many ways, it's exactly like getting rehired.

 

[ManInBrown]

I'm in the 177. What is being proposed? There has been no buzz about this in my building other than a fellow Teamster outside the guard shack one morning asking for signatures a few weeks ago. What I want to know is, would this apply to transfers within the same classification? Anotherwards a FT package car driver transfers to another center. Would this apply to transfers in the same classifications? Bidding on routes. A transfer with more company seniority but less center seniority? Right now Center seniority rules on route bidding. Would that change? Would company seniority within the same classification now be the deciding factor for route bidding purposes. I understand and actually agree with not losing seniority for package to feeder, but would it apply for package to package transfers?

 

[East coast navy]

Interesting thought. The number of hours worked should be irrelevent for this arguement. After all, feeder generally works longer hours but that doesn't give them more seniority. Don't forget that P/T'ers get paid far less than any friend/T'er as well. For this arguement, a hire date is just that. You don't get re-hired when you go to a Full Time job.

Ft gets full seniority because they work bar min 40 a week and pay full union dues... A PT pays a smaller amount of dues and the over time counting for Pt was just a thought.... All of the Pt talk really doesn't matter if they don't put in proposals or vote.

 

[East coast navy]

I'm in the 177. What is being proposed? There has been no buzz about this in my building other than a fellow Teamster outside the guard shack one morning asking for signatures a few weeks ago. What I want to know is, would this apply to transfers within the same classification? Anotherwards a FT package car driver transfers to another center. Would this apply to transfers in the same classifications? Bidding on routes. A transfer with more company seniority but less center seniority? Right now Center seniority rules on route bidding. Would that change? Would company seniority within the same classification now be the deciding factor for route bidding purposes. I understand and actually agree with not losing seniority for package to feeder, but would it apply for package to package transfers?

I saw the proposal and signed it... The guy that gave it to me explained it all...

It does not apply to Pt to Ft or center to center package...

 

[ManInBrown]

I saw the proposal and signed it... The guy that gave it to me explained it all...

It does not apply to Pt to Ft or center to center package...

Thx for the explanation. So basically it's just a classification change? Package to feeder type thing?

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

I saw the proposal and signed it... The guy that gave it to me explained it all...

It does not apply to Pt to Ft or center to center package...

That's a lie....you can't just change the seniority for yourself.....if one list goes through high seniority drivers would be able to transfer from center to center and retain seniority.....they want company time for everyone's seniority not classification time.....they want one list for seniority

 

[542thruNthru]

I saw the proposal and signed it... The guy that gave it to me explained it all...

It does not apply to Pt to Ft or center to center package...

So pretty much it's only changing seniority rules for feeder drivers? I asked this question before and you ignored it. So can you please answer it now.

 

[Bubblehead]

So pretty much it's only changing seniority rules for feeder drivers? I asked this question before and you ignored it. So can you please answer it now.

No; it's for all seniority full time, union employees.

I'm not in Local 177, correct me if I'm wrong?

 

[542thruNthru]

No; it's for all seniority full time, union employees.

I'm not in Local 177, correct me if I'm wrong?

Yes it's for all seniority full time Union employees. The issue is it sounds like he is saying you can only use it in your center. Which to me sounds like a clarification seniority. If you transfer to another center and can't use your company seniority isn't that what he's fighting?

I'm sorry I'm all for company seniority over all but it really sounds like to me these people only care about feeder.

 

[East coast navy]

That's a lie....you can't just change the seniority for yourself.....if one list goes through high seniority drivers would be able to transfer from center to center and retain seniority.....they want company time for everyone's seniority not classification time.....they want one list for seniority

From what the guys that are going around to the bldgs founding out is a lot of package members don't like carry seniority from center to center... They do like it when the leave the classification and carry seniority...

At first, to me it did sound like people are out for them selves... Then I was like what about in local 177 when you transfer to feeder district to feeder district and you can dufftail in... In package when you transfer to another center you go to the bottom... To me that doesn't sound right... It's what the members want... Then one of the guys pointed out that it's what a majority of members want...

You are always going to have a opposing side of members that might not think it's fair... What makes it fair is when a group members want something and it gets brought to a vote... If it gets voted down then the group can't say much because the members have spoken... If it passes, then the members have been looking for something like this for a long time...

 

[East coast navy]

Yes it's for all seniority full time Union employees. The issue is it sounds like he is saying you can only use it in your center. Which to me sounds like a clarification seniority. If you transfer to another center and can't use your company seniority isn't that what he's fighting?

I'm sorry I'm all for company seniority over all but it really sounds like to me these people only care about feeder.

It's not just feeder... It's for porters, clerks, 22.3, mechanics... It's for all Ft classifications, not just feeder.

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

From what the guys that are going around to the bldgs founding out is a lot of package members don't like carry seniority from center to center... They do like it when the leave the classification and carry seniority...

At first, to me it did sound like people are out for them selves... Then I was like what about in local 177 when you transfer to feeder district to feeder district and you can dufftail in... In package when you transfer to another center you go to the bottom... To me that doesn't sound right... It's what the members want... Then one of the guys pointed out that it's what a majority of members want...

You are always going to have a opposing side of members that might not think it's fair... What makes it fair is when a group members want something and it gets brought to a vote... If it gets voted down then the group can't say much because the members have spoken... If it passes, then the members have been looking for something like this for a long time...

You said the lawyer the one list guys have said classification seniority is illegal......yet now being the members of 177 aren't welcoming what you guys want you are changing your plan to only feeder drivers........all of you guys kept saying is all employees should keep your company seniority no matter where you go in ups......then you realizes that includes part timers......then package guys didn't want people transferring from center to center......next you will be exempting inside employees and we will be back to square one that this is a small group of feeder drivers who want to changed the rules to benefit themselves..........why don't you stop stealing money from the members for lawyer costs and stop wasting local 177s time on this nonsense so they can focus on the real issues they have with the contract and ups!!!

 

[East coast navy]

You said the lawyer the one list guys have said classification seniority is illegal......yet now being the members of 177 aren't welcoming what you guys want you are changing your plan to only feeder drivers........all of you guys kept saying is all employees should keep your company seniority no matter where you go in ups......then you realizes that includes part timers......then package guys didn't want people transferring from center to center......next you will be exempting inside employees and we will be back to square one that this is a small group of feeder drivers who want to changed the rules to benefit themselves..........why don't you stop stealing money from the members for lawyer costs and stop wasting local 177s time on this nonsense so they can focus on the real issues they have with the contract and ups!!!

Why do you care? You are not in local 177... Just worry about your own local... This has nothing to do with you.

 

[Gear]

Lets say a Teamster mechanic who was hired full time at 21 years old and at 51 decides he wants to drive PC or feeders. Do you think it would be fair for him to use his 30 year seniority to get the best driving bids? I cant see any driver he beats on seniority being happy.

Im IAM so I dont know if this is even possible. But I do not think this would be fair.

 

[ManInBrown]

Lets say a Teamster mechanic who was hired full time at 21 years old and at 51 decides he wants to drive PC or feeders. Do you think it would be fair for him to use his 30 year seniority to get the best driving bids? I cant see any driver he beats on seniority being happy.

Im IAM so I dont know if this is even possible. But I do not think this would be fair.

I agree. If it comes to a vote, I will vote no. I'm not for one seniority list

 

[East coast navy]

I agree. If it comes to a vote, I will vote no. I'm not for one seniority list

You are right... It should be up for a vote... I'm voting yes...