Seniority...... who's got what???

[Gear]

In US armed forces, when you transfer to another job classification you don't get stripped of your rank and time in service... So what you are saying is that all men and women of the armed forces are selfish?

Earning rank in the military and union seniority are two completely different things. I can't think of one Marine who was promoted because of time ingrade. I find it insulting for you to compare the two. I earned the rank of Sergeant by going the extra mile. With union seniority there is no difference between a hard worker and the guy slimming through his day.

 

[East coast navy]

Earning rank in the military and union seniority are two completely different things. I can't think of one Marine who was promoted because of time ingrade. I find it insulting for you to compare the two. I earned the rank of Sergeant by going the extra mile. With union seniority there is no difference between a hard worker and the guy slimming through his day.

When a Sergeant transfer to anther classification, he or she will not have there time or rank stripped... So the have more prevliges then some one with less rank but more time in the classification.. They might have to do a better job then the other person to get rank but the still earned it when they transfer... So yes it is the same thing.

 

[East coast navy]

So why aren't part timers porters clerks seniority included with your proposal also under your premise why would center to center transfer not be included......I'll tell you why it's because that affects you negatively

We keep telling you why.. you are going to have to go back to the info that was posted or read the flyer... Sometimes when someone is so jaded, they can't see what is right in front of them..

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

When a Sergeant transfer to anther classification, he or she will not have there time or rank stripped... So the have more prevliges then some one with less rank but more time in the classification.. They might have to do a better job then the other person to get rank but the still earned it when they transfer... So yes it is the same thing.

So a sergeant in the marines can join the navy and keep his rank?

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

We keep telling you why.. you are going to have to go back to the info that was posted or read the flyer... Sometimes when someone is so jaded, they can't see what is right in front of them..

But you can't have it both ways it's either everyone company time can be carried or no ones can it just can't be only you can carry your seniority I don't understand why you don't understand that.....you just can't change rules to benefit you.....what's next are you going to want only east coast to get a $10 an hour raise at contract time

 

[East coast navy]

But you can't have it both ways it's either everyone company time can be carried or no ones can it just can't be only you can carry your seniority I don't understand why you don't understand that.....you just can't change rules to benefit you.....what's next are you going to want only east coast to get a $10 an hour raise at contract time

So why does 177 allow transfer feeder to feeder to carry seniority but not for package to package?

So a sergeant in the marines can join the navy and keep his rank?

Navy to navy... Army to Army... I have served with navy service men that came from another branch and carried their rank...

 

[rama'nfeeders]

Didn't the Union tell everybody at the Nov 6th meeting that if seniority was to change it would be across the board??? The problem is that this classification changed back when the COMPANY in NJ broke up the one district to 3 districts and since we stretched from NWINY all the way down to LAKNJ and to Queens that it would benefit the MEMBERS so if you were in Feeders you weren't forced to drive 2.5 hours to get to work. So classification works well in Local 177. If change happens it would be across the board with a red line, but I don't believe it will make it to the negotiations. How do people who are drivers in this Local listen to other drivers who need there support so they can jump 150/ 200 spots so they can get premium jobs??? Theses drivers are misleading the other drivers because what they say isn't the BIBLE. So I ask again didn't the Local tell the people who attended the Nov 6th meeting it would change across the board??? Please lmk hear your response.........

 

[East coast navy]

Didn't the Union tell everybody at the Nov 6th meeting that if seniority was to change it would be across the board??? The problem is that this classification changed back when the COMPANY in NJ broke up the one district to 3 districts and since we stretched from NWINY all the way down to LAKNJ and to Queens that it would benefit the MEMBERS so if you were in Feeders you weren't forced to drive 2.5 hours to get to work. So classification works well in Local 177. If change happens it would be across the board with a red line, but I don't believe it will make it to the negotiations. How do people who are drivers in this Local listen to other drivers who need there support so they can jump 150/ 200 spots so they can get premium jobs??? Theses drivers are misleading the other drivers because what they say isn't the BIBLE. So I ask again didn't the Local tell the people who attended the Nov 6th meeting it would change across the board??? Please lmk hear your response.........

I was at the meeting when were an elected official (which is not going to be here in less then a week) said you have to put every member in this system that you are asking for... Then the one guy asked why do we have feeder to feeder transfer and can carry seniority but not for package to package... The same BA couldn't answer...

He couldn't answer a lot of questions... Hell, one guy got up ( I think he was a feeder stew that is against this) said "Languages can be different in different classifications... It's what members want"... So you can stop with the selfish talk... It was one of your own that said it...

By the way, the only way this will never be brought up (100% never) with the next conract, is if the majority doesn't want it...

 

[rama'nfeeders]

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I was at the meeting when were an elected official (which is not going to be here in less then a week) said you have to put every member in this system that you are asking for... Then the one guy asked why do we have feeder to feeder transfer and can carry seniority but not for package to package... The same BA couldn't answer...

He couldn't answer a lot of questions... Languages can be different in different classifications... It's what members want... So stop with the selfish talk...

By the way, the only way this will never be brought up (100% never) with the next conract, is if the majority doesn't want it...

 

[rama'nfeeders]

So was I and the room didn't give him a chance because both sides were talking over each other. The system would /could change across the board and from talking to members in the different classifications they don't want any change except for the people who are selfish like yourself because you skipped over coming into Feeders multiple times. Classification Rules!!!

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Earning rank in the military and union seniority are two completely different things. I can't think of one Marine who was promoted because of time ingrade. I find it insulting for you to compare the two. I earned the rank of Sergeant by going the extra mile. With union seniority there is no difference between a hard worker and the guy slimming through his day.

I was active duty and know for a fact that TIS and TIG are key factors in determining your line number for promotion.

 

[East coast navy]

So was I and the room didn't give him a chance because both sides were talking over each other. The system would /could change across the board and from talking to members in the different classifications they don't want any change except for the people who are selfish like yourself because you skipped over coming into Feeders multiple times. Classification Rules!!!

Well then you have nothing to worry about.. Just sit back and smile... By the way, how come no one at that meeting said it's not going to happen?

 

[Gear]

I was active duty and know for a fact that TIS and TIG are key factors in determining your line number for promotion.

There a few key factors for promotion. But TIS and TIG do not entitle any servicemember a promotion. In a union, time in service or seniority, entitles you to everything the contract says. I think its ridiculous to compare military promotion and union seniority. Not everyone can make it to E-9. An E-7 with 30 years isn't the same as an E-8 with 30 years. But in a union, 30 is 30. I was never guaranteed or entitled to anything while in the Marines. But as a union member, I am guaranteed alot of things.

 

[By The Book]

I think the local should have proposal meetings in all areas that would be affected by a change, like you are proposing. They should have examples of the proposal on paper showing how it works each way, current and future, if there's a change. They should then use a white board or slide projector and show how each works. Then they should open the floor for questions and comments. Then they should take a vote on paper ballot in all locations and talley them with a witness from both proponents. Then at the next membership meeting announce the vote counts and tell the membership if there will be a proposal for change at negotiations or not.

 

[ManInBrown]

Can someone please explain to me why routes wouldn't be rebid in package? Isn't that the whole point? Or will it be grandfathered and going forward it's a one seniority list? If it's changed to a one seniority list in package then technically a package transfer or a PT to FT employee could jump a bid driver. So why wouldn't routes be rebid? And yes I am selfish. Sorry. I'm more then willing to take the hit later in feeder, to not lose my package route now

 

[rama'nfeeders]

We did say it will never happen except your group of people yelling that it was illegal and of course that the Union hurt you financially even though the contract was passed through the voting process.

 

[East coast navy]

I think the local should have proposal meetings in all areas that would be affected by a change, like you are proposing. They should have examples of the proposal on paper showing how it works each way, current and future, if there's a change. They should then use a white board or slide projector and show how each works. Then they should open the floor for questions and comments. Then they should take a vote on paper ballot in all locations and talley them with a witness from both proponents. Then at the next membership meeting announce the vote counts and tell the membership if there will be a proposal for change at negotiations or not.

I agree... I don't think it will happen like that... To many members are yelling and screaming... For them to sit down and talk would be like 1993.. If you don't know 93... they before 93 language you lost vacation selection and layoff company when transferring... It went classification for everything... Then a group of guys got a lawyer to try and change things... Then they sat down and it then went to company seniority for layoff and vacation selection and everything else went classification seniority...

 

[East coast navy]

Can someone please explain to me why routes wouldn't be rebid in package? Isn't that the whole point? Or will it be grandfathered and going forward it's a one seniority list? If it's changed to a one seniority list in package then technically a package transfer or a PT to FT employee could jump a bid driver. So why wouldn't routes be rebid? And yes I am selfish. Sorry. I'm more then willing to take the hit later in feeder, to not lose my package route now

If the bidding language isn't changing then you don't have to bid jobs..

We did say it will never happen except your group of people yelling that it was illegal and of course that the Union hurt you financially even though the contract was passed through the voting process.

Not at the November meeting... Everyone was saying "don't do this"... Even the 50 year guy came and said "please don't do this"...

 

[Capone]

Any full-time employee that transfers from one classification to another and carries their full time seniorty does not mean anything else has to change in the contract , according to the needs of the company employees transfer all the time from packaged to porter package to Klerking package to 22/3 package to feeder. Anyone who is making this sound more complicated than it really is just don't want anyone to dovetail above them that has more Seniorty ,they don't care one bit about seniorty ,all they care about is themselves .

 

[rama'nfeeders]

I doubt Danny Kaminsky came to you guys and said don't do this except that you are dividing the Local with a Contract that's right around the corner when we have more important issues to address. I do have one question for the ONE LISTERS: say there is a remote possibly that it's brought up to the company and they say no way or we will considered it if you allow us to use air drivers to deliver ground bulk stops or we use 22.3 jobs to shift in the Local? Are you willing to do this? Have you thought what might get thrown back in our faces????? Have you or are you just so obsessed with changing the seniority in Feeders to get the jobs that go west for the $$$$