Seniority...... who's got what???

[Inthegame]

I think the local should have proposal meetings in all areas that would be affected by a change, like you are proposing. They should have examples of the proposal on paper showing how it works each way, current and future, if there's a change. They should then use a white board or slide projector and show how each works. Then they should open the floor for questions and comments. Then they should take a vote on paper ballot in all locations and talley them with a witness from both proponents. Then at the next membership meeting announce the vote counts and tell the membership if there will be a proposal for change at negotiations or not.

The membership of L177 has voted for an Executive Board as their representatives and supplied them with the Bylaws that give discretion on all contract proposals.
L177 could easily have over 75-100 surviving proposals next contract.
If each presentation/vote took only 10 minutes, the proposition of "voting" on each proposal at a membership mtg could take a bit of time.

 

[Inthegame]

I doubt Danny Kaminsky came to you guys and said don't do this except that you are dividing the Local with a Contract that's right around the corner when we have more important issues to address. I do have one question for the ONE LISTERS: say there is a remote possibly that it's brought up to the company and they say no way or we will considered it if you allow us to use air drivers to deliver ground bulk stops or we use 22.3 jobs to shift in the Local? Are you willing to do this? Have you thought what might get thrown back in our faces????? Have you or are you just so obsessed with changing the seniority in Feeders to get the jobs that go west for the $$$$

And they absolutely will do exactly as you suggest.

 

[rama'nfeeders]

If you haven't been on the National negotiating committee than you have no idea how brutal UPS is with there over the top demands. That's why things are so drawn out. Are you guys ready to Strike over this change in seniority???

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

If you haven't been on the National negotiating committee than you have no idea how brutal UPS is with there over the top demands. That's why things are so drawn out. Are you guys ready to Strike over this change in seniority???

I think they are so naive that they think ups will just say ok and that will be the end of it......for guys that came from package and ran away from it because the going was getting tough with ups you would think they would know ups are scumbags when it come to giving anything to drivers

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

If you haven't been on the National negotiating committee than you have no idea how brutal UPS is with there over the top demands. That's why things are so drawn out. Are you guys ready to Strike over this change in seniority???

I think they are so naive that they think ups will just say ok and that will be the end of it......for guys that came from package and ran away from it because the going was getting tough with ups you would think they would know ups are scumbags when it come to giving anything to drivers

 

[East coast navy]

I doubt Danny Kaminsky came to you guys and said don't do this except that you are dividing the Local with a Contract that's right around the corner when we have more important issues to address. I do have one question for the ONE LISTERS: say there is a remote possibly that it's brought up to the company and they say no way or we will considered it if you allow us to use air drivers to deliver ground bulk stops or we use 22.3 jobs to shift in the Local? Are you willing to do this? Have you thought what might get thrown back in our faces????? Have you or are you just so obsessed with changing the seniority in Feeders to get the jobs that go west for the $$$$

That's the funniest thing I ever heard... The company isn't going to ask for sheet on seniority! They never did and they never will... Just stop with the crap.. If you don't think it's going to happen then just sit back and watch this push fail..

 

[rama'nfeeders]

What happened in '92 and now that we went public in '99 the negotiations are ruthless. You are clueless to the obvious, but since you have to put up such a front to the people you lied to going around to buildings so they continue to support your lies. Will yoy repay everyone that gave you money for the lawyer or just say we tried and than go retire???

 

[ManInBrown]

If the bidding language isn't changing then you don't have to bid jobs..

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I'm completely confused. If the bidding language isn't changed, then what is it for? why have one seniority list if bidding isn't changed? What's the point? That doesn't make sense. Vacations are already chosen by company seniority. What are you gaining by one seniority list if bidding isn't changed?

 

[East coast navy]

I think they are so naive that they think ups will just say ok and that will be the end of it......for guys that came from package and ran away from it because the going was getting tough with ups you would think they would know ups are scumbags when it come to giving anything to drivers

If you haven't been on the National negotiating committee than you have no idea how brutal UPS is with there over the top demands. That's why things are so drawn out. Are you guys ready to Strike over this change in seniority???

Have you been in NNC? Like I said, if you don't think it's going to happen then why are you posting?

 

[rama'nfeeders]

What's NNC?

 

[East coast navy]

I'm completely confused. If the bidding language isn't changed, then what is it for? why have one seniority list if bidding isn't changed? What's the point? That doesn't make sense

Nothing changes in the bidding language... Just carry seniority when you transfer.. Originally it was going to be for everyone... Then part timers weren't coming forward... Then package guys didn't like center to center... So it's when you leave the classification you carry your seniority... That's it...

 

[East coast navy]

What's NNC?

National negotiating committee

 

[ManInBrown]

Nothing changes in the bidding language... Just carry seniority when you transfer.. Originally it was going to be for everyone... Then part timers weren't coming forward... Then package guys didn't like center to center... So it's when you leave the classification you carry your seniority... That's it...

Earlier in this thread someone said that isn't accurate. That it's not only for classification changes. It's for everything. Package to package transfers.

And if it was for package to package transfers, what's to stop someone who I beat out for my bid route 2 years ago because they were a transfer to say, I want that route. I have more seniority?

 

[East coast navy]

What happened in '92 and now that we went public in '99 the negotiations are ruthless. You are clueless to the obvious, but since you have to put up such a front to the people you lied to going around to buildings so they continue to support your lies. Will yoy repay everyone that gave you money for the lawyer or just say we tried and than go retire???

I didn't get any money for a lawyer or give so try again.

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

Have you been in NNC? Like I said, if you don't think it's going to happen then why are you posting?

Seniority isn't handled by the national negociating committee......if that's what you meant by nnc......the reason I keep posting is to call out your lies to members and to see what you are willing to give up for your seniority to change and how far your willing to go........my guess is you wouldn't go to far being you ran out of package because ups was getting tough on you

 

[East coast navy]

Earlier in this thread someone said that isn't accurate. That it's not only for classification changes. It's for everything. Package to package transfers.

And if it was for package to package transfers, what's to stop someone who I beat out for my bid route 2 years ago because they were a transfer to say, I want that route. I have more seniority?

In the proposals that is going around states only transferring from classification to classification... Not center to center...

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

Earlier in this thread someone said that isn't accurate. That it's not only for classification changes. It's for everything. Package to package transfers.

And if it was for package to package transfers, what's to stop someone who I beat out for my bid route 2 years ago because they were a transfer to say, I want that route. I have more seniority?

You are correct it would be for center to center transfers..........he want to carry company seniority no matter where you transfer.......he won't say that now because he's trying to lie to get you to support what he wants

 

[East coast navy]

Seniority isn't handled by the national negociating committee......if that's what you meant by nnc......the reason I keep posting is to call out your lies to members and to see what you are willing to give up for your seniority to change and how far your willing to go........my guess is you wouldn't go to far being you ran out of package because ups was getting tough on you

Im not the one that said it's the NNC. It was your boy rama'nfeeder... I don't think the company is going to ask for anything... You heard all the guys at the meeting... Seniority isn't a bargaining chip... The company's lawyers probably have already told them to stay out of this...

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

In the proposals that is going around states only transferring from classification to classification... Not center to center...

So your saying that someone who transfers from package to feeders his company time should count but someone transferring from one center to another his company time shouldn't count? What's the difference?how can you pick and choose whose company time counts and whose doesn't?

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

Sorry you don't have to answer those questions......I don't want it to look like you only care about yourself.....people may see your response and think you are selfish