Think about it striking is not the way

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thedrooler

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If you feel you're being abused by big bad old UPS, why not get yourself a job where you can be really happy and fulfilled. Maybe something like shuckin' corn or sloppin' the pigs.

Drooler
 
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feedrman73

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robonono and drooler, There is an interesting article about corporate corruption its easy to find, pick up any paper on any day and look at the business section. There are people who use their positions to make personal gains in every walk of life. These union guys are usually caught taking a few thousand dollars in kickbacks usually from company managers. However the theives in the business section have been stealing Billions. And there thefts have cost us trillions in investment dollars. Not exactly a fine bunch of guys to associate with is it?
 
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robonono

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I agree, it isn't. But these IBT union crooks represent you and other UPSers. The corporate CEOs and CFOs who are cooking the books ARE NOT UPSers!

That is a significant difference.
 
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over9five

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"The corporate CEOs and CFOs who are cooking the books ARE NOT UPSers!"

Im sure Enron employees thought the same thing before the facts hit the headlines. Who knows? Remember the OPL fiasco!
 
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robonono

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I truely believe that we are talking watermellons and grapes here. UPS is only one of 8 companies in the U.S. that has an AAA rating from S&P and Moody's Investors Service, the two leading credit rating agencies.

You do not get this rating by cooking the books, or skimming from your "brother's" pension plan holdings.

Enron and the IBT are entirely different cases - not to be confused with the integrity of UPS.

As for OPL - it was a totally legal operation (see Appeals Court ruling) that was poorly managed. Yes, we are all watching our investment slowly wither away to nothing, but it can hardly be compared to Enron. Had it not been for the IRS, OPL would still be an OK investment.

Just my opinion - for whatever it is worth.
Im sure Enron employees thought the same thing before the facts hit the headlines. Who knows? Remember the OPL fiasco!

(Message edited by robonono on August 12, 2002)
 
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trouble1903

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"Integrity"

Thats a great word to use for a company who's founder started it by getting blind people from point A to point B but also by delivering illegal drugs.

Oh how we sweep the dirt under carpet when it becomes an embarrassment. Every company has it's little secrets and UPS is not exempt.
 
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traveler

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What a negative post, trouble1903.

I am not sure about your statement about getting blind people from point A to point B but it sounds somewhat noble, even if done for a price. Were it not needed, no one would ever have paid to have that done. 1907 Seattle WAS a different era.

As to delivering drugs, true I'm sure, but they were not illegal drugs at that time! Cocaine, to which you are likely referring was an ingrediant in Coca-Cola at that time and was commonly used by many. The article below will help you learn. By the way, if not cocaine, what illegal drug do you claim was delivered?

Cocaine abuse in North America:
a milestone in history
by
Das G
Division of Cardiology,
University of North Dakota School of Medicine,
Fargo.
J Clin Pharmacol 1993 Apr; 33(4):296-310

ABSTRACT
The euphoric effects of coca leaves have been known to mankind for thousands of years. Yet the first epidemic of cocaine use in America occurred during the late 19th century. Initially, there were no laws restricting the consumption or sale of cocaine. In fact, cocaine was freely available in drug stores, saloons, from mail-order vendors, and even in grocery stores. It is reported that one drug manufacturer, in 1885, was selling cocaine in 15 different forms, including cigarettes, cheroots, inhalants, cordials, crystals, and solutions. Many famous imported wines, such as "Vin Mariani," contained a mixture of wine and coca. For consumers on budgets, the wonder drug was available as Coca-Cola and dozens of other soda pops and pick-me-up drinks. One of them even had a simple and direct name, Dope. Soon enough, the ill effects of cocaine became apparent, and by the 1920s cocaine was the most feared of all illicit drugs. Most states began enacting laws against cocaine use. President William Taft proclaimed cocaine as Public Enemy No. 1, and in 1914 the Congress passed the Harrison act, which tightly regulated the distribution and sale of cocaine. By the late 1950s, cocaine use in the United States was simply considered a problem in the past. Unfortunately, the people who were aware of the nation's first cocaine epidemic gradually passed away, and America once again was ready for its fling with cocaine in the 1960s. Today, it is estimated that upwards of 50 million Americans, that is one in four, have used cocaine. In addition, another fifty thousand people use this substance for the first time each day. More than 6 million Americans use cocaine on a regular basis. Little wonder, then, that America as well as the other countries have declared a "War on Drugs." In this review, pharmacology of cocaine, major complications arising from its use, and efforts to curb its abuse are discussed.
 
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