Vaccine mandate

[UnionStrong]

We will have to hear exactly what the legal arguments are. There already is required vaccination, however this vaccine only serves as insurance against complications. Don't know if that will be a factor?

What about the pill that just got approved? It pretty much negates the need for vaccines.

 

[UnionStrong]

It might be more about technicalities and states rights. It seems like they will be against a federal mandate but will allow states to do so.

There is no provision in the constitution for the federal government to mandate vaccines, but the individual states can.

 

[oldngray]

Gee, I wonder how John Roberts will rule.

Roberts has been compromised for years. Someone has dirt on him so he will reliably rule against conservatives on important issues. Even if he has to jump through legal hoops to do so.

 

[UnionStrong]

Roberts has been compromised for years. Someone has dirt on him so he will reliably rule against conservatives on important issues. Even if he has to jump through legal hoops to do so.

Like he did with Obama care

 

[Wally]

What about the pill that just got approved? It pretty much negates the need for vaccines.

Therapeutics is not the issue.

Now the mandate included testing for those that did not want the jab. That might be the way out?

 

[UnionStrong]

Therapeutics is not the issue.

Now the mandate included testing for those that did not want the jab. That might be the way out?

Who’s paying for it? And where are the tests?

 

[Non sequitur]

We will have to hear exactly what the legal arguments are. There already is required vaccination, however this vaccine only serves as insurance against complications. Don't know if that will be a factor?

It is not a vaccine it is a medicine. It's effectiveness diminishes after a few weeks. We need better medicines and prevention which does not require an assault on your personal liberties.

 

[Wally]

So the court will condensed all the cases into one. Two separate issues: OSHA and Medicare-Medicaid funded facilities.

Redirect Notice

 

[zubenelgenubi]

There is no provision in the constitution for the federal government to mandate vaccines, but the individual states can.

No, Jacobson only affirmed that states have police power (power to make their own laws). The states still can't pass laws that violate the constitutional rights (state or federal) of its citizens. This was clarified by the 14th amendment. Forcing people to accept medical treatment violates the 4th amendment. Any and all gun control laws violate the 2nd amendment.

Our government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. It only operates on the power delegated to it by the people. If there is something you and I don't have the power to do, the government also can't have that power. Congress also can't delegate power it doesn't have. Not even doctors can force treatment on their patients, how can Congress have that power?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

So the court will condensed all the cases into one. Two separate issues: OSHA and Medicare-Medicaid funded facilities.

Redirect Notice

There's also the contractor mandate, the federal employee mandate, now Pedo Joe is doing a Headstart Mandate, then there's the military mandate.

 

[UnionStrong]

No, Jacobson only affirmed that states have police power (power to make their own laws). The states still can't pass laws that violate the constitutional rights (state or federal) of its citizens. This was clarified by the 14th amendment. Forcing people to accept medical treatment violates the 4th amendment. Any and all gun control laws violate the 2nd amendment.

Our government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. It only operates on the power delegated to it by the people. If there is something you and I don't have the power to do, the government also can't have that power. Congress also can't delegate power it doesn't have. Not even doctors can force treatment on their patients, how can Congress have that power?

Didn’t the court rule that Massachusetts had the right to impose the small pox vaccine? They allowed for a fine to be paid.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Didn’t the court rule that Massachusetts had the right to impose the small pox vaccine? They allowed for a fine to be paid.

That's the Jacobson case. They didn't rule on the constitutionality of the law in question. They just ruled that the states have police powers. If I'm not mistaken the plaintiff wasn't challenging the law, but the fine. My guess is that it was so obvious to people in that point of history that states couldn't force medical treatments on anyone that no one actually challenged that aspect. The fine is along the lines of what they are doing today by coercing businesses to make their own mandates. If anyone had challenged the vaccine order back then they'd say "we aren't forcing you to take a vaccine, we're just fining you if you don't". The Jacobson decision was one of the top three worst blunders by the Supreme Court.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

We will have to hear exactly what the legal arguments are. There already is required vaccination, however this vaccine only serves as insurance against complications. Don't know if that will be a factor?

It's about agency authority.

 

[Wally]

There's also the contractor mandate, the federal employee mandate, now Pedo Joe is doing a Headstart Mandate, then there's the military mandate.

They all fall under the other two. Not sure about the military mandate?

 

[sailfish]

I'm tired of hearing from all the anti-science, anti-medical people that think they know better than their Doctor.

I have a finger that is permanently maimed because on day one, the doctor insisted the tendon wasn't severed, even though I told him the PA who cleaned the ing thing out and stitched it shut saw first hand that it was. He didn't even schedule an MRI. It took a week later with no improvement for him to decide "oh, it must be severed. You need surgery."

And the first thing the ing idiot wanted me to do was make a fist. A ing fist with a severed extender tendon. Christ alive you can't make this up. If it wasn't for the pain I would've retracted the tendon into my wrist if I did. But you guys keep going right on ahead with your unyielding worship of "ze experts." I've always had a laundry list of reasons to be skeptical in my trust in the medical community and this covid bull hasn't helped their case one bit.

 

[Bubblehead]

It might be more about technicalities and states rights. It seems like they will be against a federal mandate but will allow states to do so.

....and they (and I) have known this all along.

It was never going to happen and only served to push along the procrastinators and those on the fence.

 

[Bubblehead]

I have a finger that is permanently maimed because on day one, the doctor insisted the tendon wasn't severed, even though I told him the PA who cleaned the ing thing out and stitched it shut saw first hand that it was. He didn't even schedule an MRI. It took a week later with no improvement for him to decide "oh, it must be severed. You need surgery."

And the first thing the ing idiot wanted me to do was make a fist. A ing fist with a severed extender tendon. Christ alive you can't make this up. If it wasn't for the pain I would've retracted the tendon into my wrist if I did. But you guys keep going right on ahead with your unyielding worship of "ze experts." I've always had a laundry list of reasons to be skeptical in my trust in the medical community and this covid bull hasn't helped their case one bit.

By all means then, the entire medical community should be disregarded going forward as a result of your finger.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

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By all means then, the entire medical community should be disregarded going forward as a result of your finger.

No one's saying that. It's just a piece of evidence that adds to the 250,000 people per year killed by medical malpractice that should be enough to make people more willing to question and seek second opinions.

 

[sailfish]

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By all means then, the entire medical community should be disregarded going forward as a result of your finger.

Nothing in that bubble I see.

 

[Wally]

Nothing in that bubble I see.