Vaccine mandate

Netsua 3:16

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Do you know how the mRNA vaccines work? As far as I understand, the concept is they found a way to trick the immune system. They encase the foreign rna in lipids (fats) because the body does not naturally want to let foreign substances give directions/commands on what the cells should do. If they're not encased in lipid particles, the immune system would kill the foreign substance immediately.

You have to trick the body to bypass it's natural protection from getting hijacked. For these vaccines, which hijack the body's cells produce the spike protein. Which we know is what causes the illness if Covid. We also know that the spike protein does not stay in the injection site, but passes throughout the body and accumulates in the ovaries. How long and to what extent the body will produce the spike protein varies and is as I understand it, unpredictable.

I believe the FDA and CDC admit that there are risks of myocarditis. So to expose kids to this vaxx when they already are unthreatened but Covid doesn't make a lot of sense.

For everybody else, make your own mind up if you want it or not.
The kid issue is a completely different ballgame. I don’t have any problem with a child wanting to get the vaccine; they get about a 3rd of what an adult gets and I sincerely, 100% believe that the pro rated vaccine would not be distributed to children unless it was safe to distribute to children. Courts tend to not tolerate the forceful damaging of our children; you know what I mean? And when you have a singular or several entities all controlling the production, approval and succes of the vaccines; those known entities would be taking on a massive amount of liability putting out a product that kills kids. Knowing the small risk of myocarditis, I could not fathom forcing it upon my child. I cannot fathom forcing you to get your child the shot.
It’s the same way I’ve always felt about anti vaxers; go hard man. If you don’t want to take shots, don’t take shots. Everybody got choices.
I choose to accept the minor risk of myocarditis in an effort to not only protect my brain matter (to me that RISK FAR outweighs any other, like when you don’t let your kid play football because you don’t want their BRAIN TO BE AFFECTED), but MORESO because I believe it’s the right thing to do.
 

tadpole

Well-Known Member
The kid issue is a completely different ballgame. I don’t have any problem with a child wanting to get the vaccine; they get about a 3rd of what an adult gets and I sincerely, 100% believe that the pro rated vaccine would not be distributed to children unless it was safe to distribute to children. Courts tend to not tolerate the forceful damaging of our children; you know what I mean? And when you have a singular or several entities all controlling the production, approval and succes of the vaccines; those known entities would be taking on a massive amount of liability putting out a product that kills kids. Knowing the small risk of myocarditis, I could not fathom forcing it upon my child. I cannot fathom forcing you to get your child the shot.
It’s the same way I’ve always felt about anti vaxers; go hard man. If you don’t want to take shots, don’t take shots. Everybody got choices.
I choose to accept the minor risk of myocarditis in an effort to not only protect my brain matter (to me that RISK FAR outweighs any other, like when you don’t let your kid play football because you don’t want their BRAIN TO BE AFFECTED), but MORESO because I believe it’s the right thing to do.
Ok so we agree that nobody should be forcing this on kids. Glad we could find some common ground.

One more thing... so if you believe the vaccines are safe because the FDA and CDC tested and determined them to be safe, does it concern you that the FDA is asking congress for a 55 year extension before releasing the safety test data they were looking at when they approved Pfizer?
What is it they don't want us to see? Does it concern you that 2 top FDA officials resigned due to political pressure to approve boosters before the science was fully examined and discussed?

In any case it's nice to know that we can squabble and disagree on here and give each other tool badges and thumbs down badges but we both agree that if you want the shot, take it. If you don't, don't.
 

Netsua 3:16

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Ok so we agree that nobody should be forcing this on kids. Glad we could find some common ground.

One more thing... so if you believe the vaccines are safe because the FDA and CDC tested and determined them to be safe, does it concern you that the FDA is asking congress for a 55 year extension before releasing the safety test data they were looking at when they approved Pfizer?
What is it they don't want us to see? Does it concern you that 2 top FDA officials resigned due to political pressure to approve boosters before the science was fully examined and discussed?

In any case it's nice to know that we can squabble and disagree on here and give each other tool badges and thumbs down badges but we both agree that if you want the shot, take it. If you don't, don't.
The FDA is one of many disgusting, nasty CORPORATE entities that exist in the world for one reason; to profit off of us. In order for them to profit off of us, they need to have an established trust with the public, which we can both agree; they have that less now than ever before.
I have a family member who almost died several times due to an opioid addiction; he was one of millions in the 90’s that got pumped full of addicting pills that slowly killed them as if doctors were prescribing cigarettes.
I have no love lost for big pharma. Ever seen Sicko by Michael Moore? Eye opening. There’s a new doc that’s out that we watched recently on the opioid crisis and the vile, nasty stuff that’s gone down. I can’t remember what it’s called or which streaming service it was on but I’m sure it’s easy to find, great stuff.
However, I also have healthcare providers close to me who are among the most noble human beings I have ever met; like the exact way you would want a dr or a nurse to be. And let’s not forget that this is still the same moral basis on which healthcare exists; giving selflessly to help absolutely. They are in it because they want to help people; they willingly sacrifice their own health, family time, practice to do whatever is necessary to save people.
Now, there is a side to it that is very ugly, that they have to deal with, just like we have to deal with UPS management. It’s the business aspect of the operation that is too far, too overblown for its own good and would eat us alive if we allowed it, did not regulate and legislate.
Drs. Have access to studies that we don’t. They have prudent information that we don’t.
I went through 3 drs before I found my primary care provider because I had to determine that I had somebody that I knew would truly make my well being a priority.
I could care less what Fauci, that loser Biden sitting in his tower spewing supposed “support” for Kelloggs workers while not doing a damn thing about it, Trump, any Republican, any democrat; this is not politically driven to me whatsoever.
I simply collect as much information as I can: do my best to decide what is bs and what is not, use the resources around me (drs, research, etc) and even THAT isn’t easy, because you have to decide which resources don’t actually have a dog in the financial COVID fight.
It’s in big pharma, the CDC, Phizers best interest to produce a product that they can make money with. How can they make money with a product that kills the consumer they are trying to make money off of?
It’s in drs, nurses, best interest to recommend a product that will provide therapeutic benefits, not harm us.
It’s also in the best interest of certain political agendas to get you to be afraid of the vaccine. It is in the best interest of certain social agendas to get you to freak out about taking a shot and stand up to the man. There is a basic nobility to it that at first glance I can get with and respect.
I do not believe this is a part of any grander agenda to tear down our democracy; it’s simply the continued exploitation of capitalism and socially normalized liabilities. They are taking advantage of the situation just like they always do. I hate it. It makes me want to vomit.
I still took the vaccine, because none of that means a thing to the issue at hand. Here is the issue at hand:
-We have a worldwide extremely contagious virus spreading around the world and wreaking havoc on our interpersonal relationships, our commerce, our lives, in whatever way you want to discuss.
-We have produced a vaccine. Despite skepticism, it is highly recommended by entities whom their reputation is on the line by recommending it. The people who are recommending it, are taking it themselves.
- When you get COVID-19, while the odds are 9/10 that you’ll be just fine, there is risk of death/unknown long term complication. There is a documented loss of brain matter.
Based on the above, I made my decision
 

BigGuy2732

Well-Known Member
Don’t get too upset with the way things are as society is crumbling rapidly. Things are going to get way worse than vaccine mandates, especially come 2024.
 

Netsua 3:16

AND THAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE
Covid is wreaking havoc on your relationships?

Lol.

Sounds like you're in a cult.
And with that, it sounds like you’re out of DIDO terms for the night!
I think we covered all of them. You’re in a cult, waaah waaah racism, I think we’re just missing some sort of tie in to all liberals being evil, which I’m expecting any moment.
I’m just here to find out how creative DIDO can be saying the exact same thing 500 different times.
It’s like trolling with a parrot
 

FromOffTheStreets

Well-Known Member
The FDA is one of many disgusting, nasty CORPORATE entities that exist in the world for one reason; to profit off of us. In order for them to profit off of us, they need to have an established trust with the public, which we can both agree; they have that less now than ever before.
I have a family member who almost died several times due to an opioid addiction; he was one of millions in the 90’s that got pumped full of addicting pills that slowly killed them as if doctors were prescribing cigarettes.
I have no love lost for big pharma. Ever seen Sicko by Michael Moore? Eye opening. There’s a new doc that’s out that we watched recently on the opioid crisis and the vile, nasty stuff that’s gone down. I can’t remember what it’s called or which streaming service it was on but I’m sure it’s easy to find, great stuff.
However, I also have healthcare providers close to me who are among the most noble human beings I have ever met; like the exact way you would want a dr or a nurse to be. And let’s not forget that this is still the same moral basis on which healthcare exists; giving selflessly to help absolutely. They are in it because they want to help people; they willingly sacrifice their own health, family time, practice to do whatever is necessary to save people.
Now, there is a side to it that is very ugly, that they have to deal with, just like we have to deal with UPS management. It’s the business aspect of the operation that is too far, too overblown for its own good and would eat us alive if we allowed it, did not regulate and legislate.
Drs. Have access to studies that we don’t. They have prudent information that we don’t.
I went through 3 drs before I found my primary care provider because I had to determine that I had somebody that I knew would truly make my well being a priority.
I could care less what Fauci, that loser Biden sitting in his tower spewing supposed “support” for Kelloggs workers while not doing a damn thing about it, Trump, any Republican, any democrat; this is not politically driven to me whatsoever.
I simply collect as much information as I can: do my best to decide what is bs and what is not, use the resources around me (drs, research, etc) and even THAT isn’t easy, because you have to decide which resources don’t actually have a dog in the financial COVID fight.
It’s in big pharma, the CDC, Phizers best interest to produce a product that they can make money with. How can they make money with a product that kills the consumer they are trying to make money off of?
It’s in drs, nurses, best interest to recommend a product that will provide therapeutic benefits, not harm us.
It’s also in the best interest of certain political agendas to get you to be afraid of the vaccine. It is in the best interest of certain social agendas to get you to freak out about taking a shot and stand up to the man. There is a basic nobility to it that at first glance I can get with and respect.
I do not believe this is a part of any grander agenda to tear down our democracy; it’s simply the continued exploitation of capitalism and socially normalized liabilities. They are taking advantage of the situation just like they always do. I hate it. It makes me want to vomit.
I still took the vaccine, because none of that means a thing to the issue at hand. Here is the issue at hand:
-We have a worldwide extremely contagious virus spreading around the world and wreaking havoc on our interpersonal relationships, our commerce, our lives, in whatever way you want to discuss.
-We have produced a vaccine. Despite skepticism, it is highly recommended by entities whom their reputation is on the line by recommending it. The people who are recommending it, are taking it themselves.
- When you get COVID-19, while the odds are 9/10 that you’ll be just fine, there is risk of death/unknown long term complication. There is a documented loss of brain matter.
Based on the above, I made my decision
I like your heartfelt, well thought letter & the fact that you feel justified in your decision.

There are people on the other side that could write a great thoughtful letter coming down on the other side of the spectrum & feel just as justified in their decision.

The difference is that guy could lose his job, home, transportation & family all because he doesn't want to take something that doesn't really work.

I could completely understand the mandate & segregate position if either the vax completely killed the virus or there were tens of millions of people dying throughout the nation. But neither of those are true so mandate & segregate begins to look like a war is being waged in some people's minds.
 

Netsua 3:16

AND THAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE
You wouldn't have a problem with a child wanting a sex change either, right? The kid knows best?
No, I wouldn’t have a problem with a child wanting a sex change. It’s a crazy ass world out there and without proper parenting, kids can be exposed to whatever agenda based free media out there.
Ox, why are you doing this? You know I wouldn’t go pay for a kid to get a sex change just because the kid says it wants one. What kind of cooky poo is that? Where are you coming from here?
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
No, I wouldn’t have a problem with a child wanting a sex change.
Ox, why are you doing this?

To point out that your bar for being fine with a child "wanting' anything in the name of their supposed well-being is very, very low. Young children tend to want for themselves whatever their parents tell them they should want. And hard lefties like yourself have a pretty twisted vision of what they should want is.

Knowing the small risk of myocarditis, I could not fathom forcing it upon my child.

Yes you could.

It's not strictly voluntary for the child just because they agreed to the shot after a parent didn't tell them about the small risk of myocarditis but did tell them they should want it because it's what all the good little boys and girls want.

I choose to accept the minor risk of myocarditis in an effort to not only protect my brain matter (to me that RISK FAR outweighs any other

Yeah, me too. I've had my 3 shots. But chance of a COVID infection harming us versus the shot harming us is much different than it is for a child.
 
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