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[Doublestandards]

You have said that you would not try to stop a man molesting a child if you saw him doing so.

where did he say that?

 

[vantexan]

where did he say that?

Message #2705 of the thread Christianity on June 21st this year. He put his reply inside my question in boldface. Can't pull it up but you can go to it. Search this forum for the word molesting and enter vantexan. That'll get you that thread.

 

[vantexan]

I only share what the Holy Spirit has me share.

I understand your methods to be strawman methods.

And you understand wrong.

 

[vantexan]

I would say Jesus was innocent.

And?

 

[Integrity]

And you understand wrong.

That is your understanding, of which I disagree.

 

[Integrity]

And?

Your question answered.

 

[Integrity]

where did he say that?

Ask me any questions about this, I will try to help you navigate @vantexan schtick if you want. You don’t seem to be anything like him.

If not all good.

 

[vantexan]

Ask me any questions about this, I will try to help you navigate @vantexan schtick if you want. You don’t seem to be anything like him.

If not all good.

Yah, let's not look at what you've actually said.

 

[Integrity]

Yah, let's not look at what you've actually said.

I stand by what I said. You just don’t want to see the light of the error of your ways. IMO it is your discussion style and tactics that need improvement.

Do you pray?

 

[vantexan]

I stand by what I said. You just don’t want to see the light of the error of your ways. IMO it is your discussion style and tactics that need improvement.

Do you pray?

I see a charlatan who makes it up as he goes. I pray you'll repent.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I answered your misquote.

I do believe that it is a mistake to rape or murder someone but I believe that after the fact they are not mistakes and yes, I believe nothing happens in God’s world by mistake even mistakes.

You believe it’s a mistake to rape or murder someone? I don’t think those are mistakes. I think those are horrible evil choices. Yes, God can use man’s awful choices for good. That does not mean God chose the bad.

 

[Thebrownblob]

where did he say that?

A long time ago. Not even sure it was in this thread.

 

[Integrity]

I see a charlatan who makes it up as he goes. I pray you'll repent.

Only as the Holy Spirit directs me. You don’t believe that the Holy Spirit speaks to you. I suggest you pray for you unbelief.

 

[Integrity]

You believe it’s a mistake to rape or murder someone? I don’t think those are mistakes. I think those are horrible evil choices. Yes, God can use man’s awful choices for good. That does not mean God chose the bad.

You don’t believe it is a mistake for someone to make the horrible evil choice to rape or murder someone?

I can’t believe that. I just think you have a different understanding of how I am using the word mistake.

I believe God works all things out for good.

God chose the evil of the cross.

There is no badder than the bad if the cross.

 

[Integrity]

A long time ago. Not even sure it was in this thread.

I stand by what I said in the context I said it. Just part of strawman tactics.

 

[Thebrownblob]

You don’t believe it is a mistake for someone to make the horrible evil choice to rape or murder someone?

I can’t believe that. I just think you have a different understanding of how I am using the word mistake.

I believe God works all things out for good.

God chose the evil of the cross.

There is no badder than the bad if the cross.

No, those two things definitely are not simple mistakes those are choices made with evil intent, and lack of self-control.
A mistake. Would be forgetting the milk on the way home when the wife asked you to get some. It’s quite different and you’re giving people who make bad choices to not take responsibility for those choices by simply saying hey I made a mistake.

 

[Integrity]

No, those two things definitely are not simple mistakes those are choices made with evil intent, and lack of self-control.
A mistake. Would be forgetting the milk on the way home when the wife asked you to get some. It’s quite different and you’re giving people who make bad choices to not take responsibility for those choices by simply saying hey I made a mistake.

Never said that.

I believe it would be a mistake for any human being to make the evil, horrible choice to rape or murder someone.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Never said that.

Never said what? You asked me a question. I answered it.

 

[Doublestandards]

Ask me any questions about this, I will try to help you navigate @vantexan schtick if you want. You don’t seem to be anything like him.

If not all good.

I’m just having a hard time understanding the reasoning for not intervening in a situation like that, of stopping someone from being assaulted. I have a few points of reasoning, assuming I’m understanding what you said correctly

I would feel it’s the right thing to intervene and stop someone from being assaulted like that. Wouldn’t it be right for me to do what I truly believe is right?

And if the reasoning to not intervene is that it was what was meant to happen, couldn’t one argue there is no need for policemen or firemen or paramedics?

I’m not as well versed in the Bible as you all are, but didn’t Jesus urge us feed and help the poor? How is one to know when they should help their neighbor and when they should accept that something was meant to be?





thank you for the discussion

 

[Integrity]

I’m just having a hard time understanding the reasoning for not intervening in a situation like that, of stopping someone from being assaulted. I have a few points of reasoning, assuming I’m understanding what you said correctly

I would feel it’s the right thing to intervene and stop someone from being assaulted like that. Wouldn’t it be right for me to do what I truly believe is right?

And if the reasoning to not intervene is that it was what was meant to happen, couldn’t one argue there is no need for policemen or firemen or paramedics?

I’m not as well versed in the Bible as you all are, but didn’t Jesus urge us feed and help the poor? How is one to know when they should help their neighbor and when they should accept that something was meant to be?





thank you for the discussion

Why don't you answer the question? If a child is being molested and you're aware of it will you try to stop it? Will you tell the molester that what he's doing is evil and wrong.?

I posted the @vantexan post in question. You have to understand @vantexan’s strawman posting tactics.

He did not ask me what I would do?

He asked me if I would take specific actions and I answered.

I never said I would not intervene.

In the situation he described I would intervene just not in the 2 ways that he described and asked.

The manner that he asks questions is IMO disingenuous and arguably fit into the strawman mold of discussing.

Draw your own conclusion of course.

I believe the only way to know what the right action for one to specifically take is to rely what the Holy Spirit is specifically and personally telling you.