Union is done

[The Milkman]

I'll say it again Milkman, most of these guys on this site that have only 15 years or less in the company just don't get it. They have tunnel vision and can't see their future even if it was a heads up display on their trucks windshield!

Just remember folks, someday you will be retired and left without a vote. It's not fun watching this company take everything away that quite a few of us worked so hard to establish for you, the worker, today. Keep voting for those concessions.

Most of you probably have no idea that there even was a thrift plan. Or the fact, that a consignee could not receive more than a total of 50 pounds of packages and that they could only distribute that 50 lbs into three (3) or less packages. Yes, these of course were concessions that we gave away in order to build the company. But concessions that were needed in order to grow. Some of the concessions that many of you are voting on are downright pathetic.

Milkman has a right to post on this forum and display his feelings whether you as a reader like it or not. This is the passion that I wish every one of you could possess. Yes, he and I worked together in one of the strongest locals in the country at the time. It's pitiful to see what has become of our hard work. Whether you agree with the both of us is pointless. What is the truth is that someday you will be retired and will have to sit and watch like the thousands of retiree's before you. It is not a pretty sight seeing this Union disbanding right in front of our eyes and to read that most of you think it's fine.

Do you newbies even know what the time bonus is/was? Or that anyone hired before 1976 actually gets more per hour if they work the night shift? Do any of you even know what a beltman was? Or that a beltman actually got more money per hour than other clerks that almost matched drivers pay?

We live in the past here because we are sick and tired of the active employee's giving away hard earned language that us retirees fought hard to keep long ago. Good luck in YOUR retirement, you'll need it.

You told them D-Man!!! Surprised other retirees are not being vocal about how things are going........Well we tried to warn them, gave it our best shot. They certainly will need luck down the road and we can both agree it will not be good.....

 

[Stonefish]

We didn't and don't agree on many issues and we have the right to voice our opinion. But now its time to move on and do our best to work together.

 

[The Milkman]

BooHoo, you made your bed, now you get to lie in it.

Full of BedBugs for sure, we will be laughing someday when these losers are crying about things down the road

 

[Stonefish]

Full of BedBugs for sure, we will be laughing someday when these losers are crying about things down the road

No you won't when it gets worse for them it gets worse for you. You'll be crying even more. Your pension isn't going up every year.

 

[The Milkman]

No you won't when it gets worse for them it gets worse for you. You'll be crying even more. Your pension isn't going up every year.

When you retire you realize that knucklehead. I don't know of any UPS pension where it increases every contract, that's why I had my 401k started years ago, and today I have no worries, That is what planning is all about. Now making more retired than when I was driving, right now planning my next RV trip up to Jackson Hole , Yellowstone, Cody Wyoming, Moab Ut, and Vegas, will be gone for about a month,So if you get a chance stop by and say hello. I will be at the Ponderosa Campground in Cody Wy for about 2 weeks, look me up, rodeo every night...Oh I forgot........your still working funding my monthly checks.......If you make it to Vegas I am staying about a 1/2 mile from Sam's Town Casino. In Jackson..The Virginian RV resort......Putting my bets on Red for your info..

 

[Stonefish]

When you retire you realize that knucklehead. I don't know of any UPS pension where it increases every contract, that's why I had my 401k started years ago, and today I have no worries, That is what planning is all about. Now making more retired than when I was driving, right now planning my next RV trip up to Jackson Hole , Yellowstone, Cody Wyoming, Moab Ut, and Vegas, will be gone for about a month,So if you get a chance stop by and say hello. I will be at the Ponderosa Campground in Cody Wy for about 2 weeks, look me up, rodeo every night...Oh I forgot........your still working funding my monthly checks.......If you make it to Vegas I am staying about a 1/2 mile from Sam's Town Casino. In Jackson..The Virginian RV resort......Putting my bets on Red for your info..

I would hope you do idiot. Wow the name calling is fun see how that works you call me one I call you one.
Put it on black you'll win more and I would meet you in Jackson Hole but only during ski season.

 

[The Milkman]

I would hope you do idiot. Wow the name calling is fun see how that works you call me one I call you one.
Put it on black you'll win more and I would meet you in Jackson Hole but only during ski season.

Just wondering which pension plan goes up every contact, I must of been at the wrong local all those years, too late now...

 

[Bubblehead]

We did take a stand, you just don't agree with our position. I have 28 years I know how the company used to work and how it works today. If you've been around any length of time you'll remember when the company used to tell customers if you aren't ready when our driver gets there oh well see ya tomorrow. There was no RPS or Fed Ex. The pension funds were not mature funds. There wasn't 6 retirees for every active. Freight made more than UPS. There was no deregulation. There were few right to work states. A gallon of gas was .24 in 1967. Maybe it is you that is ill informed about the reality of the world these days. We aren't living in the past.

Nice story, but 28 years ago was 1986 not 1967 and gas was a little less than $1 a gallon.
What year do you think it is?
This really might explain a lot?

 

[Irishman Collins]

Nice story, but 28 years ago was 1986 not 1967 and gas was a little less than $1 a gallon.
What year do you think it is?
This really might explain a lot?

Lets not forget that 28 years ago U.P.S. was not recording record profits. Fed Ex and our competition, what a joke they are kicking our ass so bad that we have never seen this many dollars stacked up in Atlanta. Lets just face the facts, Mr. Hall couldn't negotiate himself out of a room full of 5th grade bullies.

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[upschuck]

No,but if the Union is just going to impose it anyway. What makes the difference? P.A. still had two supplements out and local 89 was still not resolved yet. The I.B.T. took their right to vote and their strike authorization away. It sounds a little like a dictatorship, not a democracy.

What was your plan? 95% of country approved their contract. No strike was going to happen. No change in HC was going to happen.

 

[upschuck]

Lets not forget that 28 years ago U.P.S. was not recording record profits. Fed Ex and our competition, what a joke they are kicking our ass so bad that we have never seen this many dollars stacked up in Atlanta

And they are too, plus a lot of regionals are growing and expanding too. We are the best in the business, and we make the best wages, have the best benefits, good pension, and a good contract. If we didn't have all that, then we'd have some complaining to do. We are not entitled to 100% of the profit UPS makes.

 

[Nimnim]

What was your plan? 95% of country approved their contract. No strike was going to happen. No change in HC was going to happen.

I don't feel like digging up the numbers, but 95% is definitely high. Anyways they could have instituted the NMA and the supplements that passed while letting the 3 continue to negotiate instead of just forcing them to accept the last offer. It's a bad precedent that will haunt us for a long time.

Edit: Or they could have just continued the course since no strike was going to happen and let the retro checks get bigger and the healthcare changes wait while the negotiation process for these areas continued.

 

[Anonymous 11]

What was your plan? 95% of country approved their contract. No strike was going to happen. No change in HC was going to happen.

I'd quit trying to explain it just let it all burn out.

 

[upschuck]

I don't feel like digging up the numbers, but 95% is definitely high.

Number provided by the IBT. I didn't say 95% voted yes, but had their contract/supplement/rider approved.

 

[Nimnim]

Number provided by the IBT. I didn't say 95% voted yes, but had their contract/supplement/rider approved.

Ok, you're probably right there, I don't know if 3 not approved yet is 95% but that does sound at least close.

I did misinterpret and think you said voted yes. Thank you for the correction.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Ok, you're probably right there, I don't know if 3 not approved yet is 95% but that does sound at least close.

I did misinterpret and think you said voted yes. Thank you for the correction.

Only 38% of the coutry voted!

 

[Nimnim]

Only 38% of the coutry voted!

And I know at least 50% of those that voted voted yes, but I was trying not to be rude since I don't recall how much more than 50% was yes.

 

[upschuck]

Only 38% of the coutry voted!

Sad, too much apathy in the union today.

 

[Nimnim]

Sad, too much apathy in the union today.

Some of it is apathy for sure, but some of it is a serious lack of communication. I know I certainly got a lot more information here about the contract and voting here, and I tried to contact my local for more information with my Pres involved with the negotiating committee.

A more concerted effort to inform and push the vote would likely increase it quite a bit. I wouldn't dream of 100% but even 70% would be fantastic.

 

[Johnny Paycheck]

And they are too, plus a lot of regionals are growing and expanding too. We are the best in the business, and we make the best wages, have the best benefits, good pension, and a good contract. If we didn't have all that, then we'd have some complaining to do. We are not entitled to 100% of the profit UPS makes.

I only regret that I'm just allowed one "Agree." I'm glad UPS is making $5 Billion in profit. Profit results in the expansion of business and creation of jobs, lack of profit results in the decline of business and the cutting of benefits and jobs. Ask the UAW.