United Way force donations coming soon for 2011.

[Overpaid Union Thug]

I stopped contributing to United Way for several reasons. The most ridiculous reason is that UPS doesn't give a damn about the cause. Its just another number or metric for them to track. Also.....Its common knowledge that plenty of employees had elected NOT to contribute but contributions would show up on their pay stubs anyway. For that reason I put zeros anywhere and everywhere on the form so that it would be harder for someone to tamper with it. Its funny how this year's forms didn't have the detachable end that was normally used as a receipt. Hmmmm.......

 

[stevetheupsguy]

I must apologize for sounding as though I dislike the United Way. I was trying to say that I do not donate via the United Way. To all of you who do donate through the United Way, I raise a glass to you. It's your choice and your money, to do with as you please. What I do not like is when mgmt came along with their arm twisting to get you to donate. I guess that's why I was so rough on my center manager this year, when he asked if I would donate. Again, my apologies to all of you hard working folks that give to the United Way.

 

[tourists24]

I think you don't get offended if you have no reason to be offended.

if you're going to be selectively offended then why not be offended on behalf of humanity? Why not be offended in the hopes of making this world a better place?

I have no time to be offended on behalf of the cheap and selfish I have so many people out there that really need our help.

I get offended for the way UPS approaches things. I wasnt aware that unless it is done through UPS, it makes a person selfish. That is my whole point. Do you have a problem with someone who writes a check to a UW affiliated charity instead of telling UPS that you will give them money to give to UW who in turn will give it to that charity?

 

[stevetheupsguy]

Does it bother you that I give a check to the Eblen Foundation instead of giving UPS a form that says "give my money to the UW, who will then give it to Eblen"? I wasnt aware that unless it is done through UPS, it makes a person selfish. That is my whole point.

Congratulations on going beyond 1000 posts, T24. For some reason, I don't think what you are saying is in any way going to appease the person you are quoting, no matter how much sense it makes.

 

[ajblakejr]

I get offended for the way UPS approaches things.

I understand.
The problem is within the process funds are "extracted" from employees.

What needs to be corrected in the process?
How does this get fixed?

 

[Anonymous 10]

And then these posts here. Look at me the poster says I stood up to management when they tried to get me to donate through united way to help someone in this world. I am such a strong willed person. I am so proud of myself because I looked that starving child in the eye and said ******* .

can i be any plainer? why would you brag about choosing to not help those out in need. I just don't get the selfish spiteful mentality of posters here.

Tie I give too charity just not through ups it's my choice. For some people it's convenient or the lazy way to give through a payroll deduction. My family and I choose to donate to causes that we can see and be a part of in person to learn more of a lession and really feel compassion. Either way I don't think you can go wrong it's personal preference it's not about a look at me I stood up to my manager I do this on a daily or weekly basis when ever I have to in my representational capacity.

 

[tieguy]

I get offended for the way UPS approaches things. I wasnt aware that unless it is done through UPS, it makes a person selfish. That is my whole point. Do you have a problem with someone who writes a check to a UW affiliated charity instead of telling UPS that you will give them money to give to UW who in turn will give it to that charity?

its the oldest dodge in the book. The old I will give directly to the charity excuse. Fact is most people will forget to write that check every month. By ecouraging people to commit to a payroll deduction plan your favorite charity will get a lot more money. If you really truly believe in your charity and you want them to get the maximum funds possible then you have to come to the conclusion that a united way is the best way to accomplish that. There is no way around an automated system to maximize their donations.

it therefore comes down to your motives. Why would you possibly work against the best option available to fund your favorite charity?

 

[tourists24]

its the oldest dodge in the book. The old I will give directly to the charity excuse. Fact is most people will forget to write that check every month. By ecouraging people to commit to a payroll deduction plan your favorite charity will get a lot more money. If you really truly believe in your charity and you want them to get the maximum funds possible then you have to come to the conclusion that a united way is the best way to accomplish that. There is no way around an automated system to maximize their donations.

it therefore comes down to your motives. Why would you possibly work against the best option available to fund your favorite charity?

For the very reasons I have stated already. Go back and read one of my first posts about charity giving in this thread. That explains it all. UPS uses guilt and arm twisting in order to get this money. While it might be convenient, it's disgusting the way it is handled in general. Hats off if this is the way you wish to contribute. But shame on you for labeling all of those who dont want to do it YOUR way

 

[UnconTROLLed]

For the very reasons I have stated already. Go back and read one of my first posts about charity giving in this thread. That explains it all. UPS uses guilt and arm twisting in order to get this money. While it might be convenient, it's disgusting the way it is handled in general. Hats off if this is the way you wish to contribute. But shame on you for labeling all of those who dont want to do it YOUR way

You see, when you have been a part of a process for so long, you naturally contain and retain a bias. I am equally as guilty in areas, too. The point is, Tie has been selling UW so long at work trying to make numbers he likely has forgotten what it is like outside that little bubble called UPS mgmt.

 

[upandcomer]

its the oldest dodge in the book. The old I will give directly to the charity excuse. Fact is most people will forget to write that check every month. By ecouraging people to commit to a payroll deduction plan your favorite charity will get a lot more money. If you really truly believe in your charity and you want them to get the maximum funds possible then you have to come to the conclusion that a united way is the best way to accomplish that. There is no way around an automated system to maximize their donations.

it therefore comes down to your motives. Why would you possibly work against the best option available to fund your favorite charity?

Tie, I generally respect and read almost everyone one of your posts. BUT, I think you are way off base here. People will give to their favorite charities if it is important to them. I honestly think if it is important enough for someone to dictate which charity their UW money goes to, they would give to that charity either way.

The biggest problem I have with giving to United Way is they have to take their administrative cut before giving the money to the charity. I wish I knew what the cut was though. For example, I give $100 to United Way and it is designated to support a homeless youth program in my area, how much makes it to the homeless youth program? $95 dollars, $80 dollars? If I give the $100 directly to the homeless youth program, I know they get all $100 of my donation.

Anyways I do think peoples resentment comes from the fact they feel like it is shoved down their throat, and how personally offended people who support United Way get if you don't participate in a fund raiser or UW activity.

 

[over9five]

There was a sign posted in my center that said UPS pays all support costs for your donation. ALL of your donation goes to the charity you chose. This was actually something someone wrote on a whiteboard, so I'm not sure it's official.

I've searched UPSers, and can find no mention of this. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

There was a sign posted in my center that said UPS pays all support costs for your donation. ALL of your donation goes to the charity you chose. This was actually something someone wrote on a whiteboard, so I'm not sure it's official. I've searched UPSers, and can find no mention of this. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

UPS does match 15 cents on the dollar which I have been told is roughly the administrative costs. If this is true then 100% does go to your designated charity.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Tie, I generally respect and read almost everyone one of your posts. BUT, I think you are way off base here. People will give to their favorite charities if it is important to them. I honestly think if it is important enough for someone to dictate which charity their UW money goes to, they would give to that charity either way.

You make a valid point here but I do have to agree with Tie on this one. We all lead hectic lives and may forget to send that monthly check. By having your donation deducted from your paycheck you don't have to worry about this. I also find that I am able to donate more through payroll deduction than if I were asked to donate in a lump sum.
The biggest problem I have with giving to United Way is they have to take their administrative cut before giving the money to the charity. I wish I knew what the cut was though. For example, I give $100 to United Way and it is designated to support a homeless youth program in my area, how much makes it to the homeless youth program? $95 dollars, $80 dollars? If I give the $100 directly to the homeless youth program, I know they get all $100 of my donation.

UPS matches 15 cents on the dollar which I have been told roughly covers the administrative costs. If you pledge $100 your charity gets $100.

Anyways I do think peoples resentment comes from the fact they feel like it is shoved down their throat, and how personally offended people who support United Way get if you don't participate in a fund raiser or UW activity.

Pledge online through upsers and you won't have to deal with that crap. This may sound like BS but I have never been subjected to any of this in my 21 years. It was a different story when I was in the military as 100% participation was expected.

 

[upandcomer]

UPS does match 15 cents on the dollar which I have been told is roughly the administrative costs. If this is true then 100% does go to your designated charity.

So what you are saying is if everyone gave directly to their desired charity and not through Untied Way I might get my 401(k) back?

 

[upandcomer]

Anyways I do think peoples resentment comes from the fact they feel like it is shoved down their throat, and how personally offended people who support United Way get if you don't participate in a fund raiser or UW activity.

Pledge online through upsers and you won't have to deal with that crap. This may sound like BS but I have never been subjected to any of this in my 21 years. It was a different story when I was in the military as 100% participation was expected.

I wasn't referring to pledges, I have never been pressured or even talked to about my giving to UW in the past. I was referring to all the building fund raiser and activities that go on throughout the year dealing with UW.

 

[pickup]

Anyways I do think peoples resentment comes from the fact they feel like it is shoved down their throat, and how personally offended people who support United Way get if you don't participate in a fund raiser or UW activity.

Yes, it is rather odd, how some people act so uncharitably sometimes when soliciting for a charity.

 

[tieguy]

Congratulations on going beyond 1000 posts, T24. For some reason, I don't think what you are saying is in any way going to appease the person you are quoting, no matter how much sense it makes.

Not sure appeasement was a topic of discussion. I think its remarkable that posters here can show some remarkable insensitivity towards mankind and yet tourist was only offended by the terms cheap and selfish which if they don't apply to him should not matter.

is it possible the sense of that thought escaped you?

 

[tieguy]

way.

The biggest problem I have with giving to United Way is they have to take their administrative cut before giving the money to the charity. I wish I knew what the cut was though. For example, I give $100 to United Way and it is designated to support a homeless youth program in my area, how much makes it to the homeless youth program? $95 dollars, $80 dollars? If I give the $100 directly to the homeless youth program, I know they get all $100 of my donation.
activity.

I've always heard it takes money to make money, I can't imagine the science of fund raising being any different.

Your favorite charity may do a terrific job of helping the homeless youth. But are they as good at fundraising? United way costs about 12 to 15 cents on the dollar. would your favorite charity be as efficent at fund raising if left to their own means? Would they have to go out and visit much more spending more money on materials and travel expenses if they had to solicit their own funds. Would they be as efficent collecting those funds if they did not have the resources of a united way soliciting and feeding that money to them? I think your favorite charity would get a fraction of the funds they get now if not for united way.

on your second point. I know ups can be overzealous with fund raising and I don't approve of their tactics in all cases. My point to steve and tourist and others here is when you decide your going to be offended which of these two options will you choose:

a) ups for being overzealous in helping the poor , afflicted , disease affected and otherwise needy members of our community

b) the posters here who basically brag that they would let some kid starve on the streets in order to spite management.

why is it that A posters here catch the grief while the B posters make their idiotic statements unscathed?

 

[tieguy]

I wasn't referring to pledges, I have never been pressured or even talked to about my giving to UW in the past. I was referring to all the building fund raiser and activities that go on throughout the year dealing with UW.

same here . presently we have 5 maangement folks in my work group that are on the non participant list and they have not been talked to or pressured to give.

 

[FracusBrown]

So what you are saying is if everyone gave directly to their desired charity and not through Untied Way I might get my 401(k) back?

Good point. By not giving you save them 15%. For all those that think the company gains something by your donation, it actually costs them 15%. If you really hate the company, give lots of money.

The billion dollars given by UPS and UPSer over the years actually cost the company more than $150 million in profit.

I often question the motive behind the drive, but I'm sure what ever recognition or pay back they get can't be financially worth $150 million.