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DriveInDriѵeOut

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For the vast majority of our 245 years, it was white men of European descent.
Oooooooooookay sure thing buddy....
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Pathetic.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
No, lets have that "convo" now?
It's long and complicated. I'm spending time with my family, but I'll try to give you the short version.

Until 1973 there was this little thing called "the draft" that bridged the gap between those of us who "signed up" for military service and the additional needs of the country's military.

Yes, the draft is also unconstitutional. The fact that people's rights have been trampled in the past is not an excuse to keep doing it. We should be striving to make the system work better for everyone, not using past violations of rights as an excuse for continued violation of rights.

What about these draftees "constitutional rights"?
See above.

I'll give you a clue, "The Constitution" has only applied to some it's citizens, for some of the time, for our entire 245 year history....and that is indisputable.
So which world do you want to live in? One where past violations are an excuse for continued and increasing violations? Or a world where we insist that our rights be respected?
Why?....wait for it.

....the perceived "common good".

Whose perception? Are you arguing for or against totalitarianism? "For the common good" is a social control device meant to convince people to willingly give up their rights. There is no common good without the individual good. Equal rights and equal protection under the law is the best, if not only way, to enable the individual good. Enabling the individual good is the only way to achieve the common good. The failures of the past are not an excuse to continue failing and slipping backwards. They are a reminder that we must constantly stand guard and be vigilant against attacks on our individual liberty, and motivation to do better to protect that liberty for everyone in the future.


 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
For the vast majority of our 245 years, it was white men of European descent.

Let's assume, for sake of argument, that this platitude had some semblance of meaning. What does this mean to you? Do you want everyone to have equal rights and equal protection under the law? Do you think one group of people should be punished as a means of setting past injustices right? Do you resent white European men? If so, do you see the irony in relying mostly on the system that those white European men mostly control to tell you what you can and can't do? Are you accepting the current state of affairs as the natural order?

I'm seeing quite a bit of contradiction in the things you write. It reminds me of the same thought processes @rickyb uses. He rails against the system with one breath, and completely supports it with the next.
 

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AND THAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE
Let's assume, for sake of argument, that this platitude had some semblance of meaning. What does this mean to you? Do you want everyone to have equal rights and equal protection under the law? Do you think one group of people should be punished as a means of setting past injustices right? Do you resent white European men? If so, do you see the irony in relying mostly on the system that those white European men mostly control to tell you what you can and can't do? Are you accepting the current state of affairs as the natural order?

I'm seeing quite a bit of contradiction in the things you write. It reminds me of the same thought processes @rickyb uses. He rails against the system with one breath, and completely supports it with the next.
Good lord.
The guy says “the rules have predominantly favored white men” and you turn that into this? That he resents white European men? That he is in favor of totally relying on the system 24/7 like a robot; the way you picture seemingly anybody who opposes your viewpoint? That he is not in favor of equal rights?
All Because he acknowledged the truth?
What in gods name are you blabbering about man?
 

wilberforce15

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No, lets have that "convo" now?

Until 1973 there was this little thing called "the draft" that bridged the gap between those of us who "signed up" for military service and the additional needs of the country's military.

What about these draftees "constitutional rights"?

I'll give you a clue, "The Constitution" has only applied to some it's citizens, for some of the time, for our entire 245 year history....and that is indisputable.

Why?....wait for it.

....the perceived "common good".
No, it wasn't for the common good that duties and rights were unevenly assigned and recognized.

It was because they recognized a natural, created order in all things.
 

rickyb

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Let's assume, for sake of argument, that this platitude had some semblance of meaning. What does this mean to you? Do you want everyone to have equal rights and equal protection under the law? Do you think one group of people should be punished as a means of setting past injustices right? Do you resent white European men? If so, do you see the irony in relying mostly on the system that those white European men mostly control to tell you what you can and can't do? Are you accepting the current state of affairs as the natural order?

I'm seeing quite a bit of contradiction in the things you write. It reminds me of the same thought processes @rickyb uses. He rails against the system with one breath, and completely supports it with the next.
Not really. calling for workers to control their jobs is a revolution
 

wilberforce15

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How does their constitution read?
It's actually apples and apples.


AMER'ICAN, noun A native of America; originally applied to the aboriginals, or copper-colored races, found here by the Europeans; but now applied to the descendants of Europeans born in America.

America was never intended to be a multicultural or multiethnic Utopia. The Constitution was just as ethnocentrist as every other nation in the entire world, and there is nothing to be ashamed about that.
 

wilberforce15

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So when the Constitution says it exists to "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"......who is the posterity?

Duh. We already know what the Constitution meant. We know what they meant. We know whose political power they established.

It means for their literal children of literal European heritage living in America.

You think it's great that we've changed. I'm not arguing that point. But your nonsense isn't in the Constitution.
 

Bubblehead

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It's actually apples and apples.


AMER'ICAN, noun A native of America; originally applied to the aboriginals, or copper-colored races, found here by the Europeans; but now applied to the descendants of Europeans born in America.

America was never intended to be a multicultural or multiethnic Utopia. The Constitution was just as ethnocentrist as every other nation in the entire world, and there is nothing to be ashamed about that.
You were trying to make the comparison of Japan and their system of government and that of the United States, which is absolutely apples and oranges.

Whatever you want to tell yourself to proudly proclaim your patriotism is your prerogative, but it's all based a foundation of lies and half truths.
 

wilberforce15

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You were trying to make the comparison of Japan and their system of government and that of the United States, which is absolutely apples and oranges.

Whatever you want to tell yourself to proudly proclaim your patriotism is your prerogative, but it's all based a foundation of lies and half truths.
You seemed upset that Americans preferenced Americans in their governing documents. I simply showed that everybody does the exact same thing.

Do you think Japan is wrong to preference Japanese people?

If not, why was it wrong for America to privilege Americans?
 

Bubblehead

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So when the Constitution says it exists to "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"......who is the posterity?

Duh. We already know what the Constitution meant. We know what they meant. We know whose political power they established.

It means for their literal children of literal European heritage living in America.

You think it's great that we've changed. I'm not arguing that point. But your nonsense isn't in the Constitution.
Explain away its precursor in the Declaration of Independence, were the same founding fathers proclaimed;

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".

What did this really mean according to you?
 
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