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rickyb

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In 2020 I got booted out of my home by my wife in favor of her angry daughter. I lived in a Honda Element for 7 months. I still paid our car payment of $623.36 which often left me short on money by the end of the month. You know how I got by? Food banks run primarily by churches. That's how we help the poor. We don't give them everything but we do assist so that they don't starve and that allows them to get back on their feet. The things you advocate have been tried. Turned out very badly for most people in those countries. Running companies and being rewarded with money for providing goods and services people need isn't greed. For some reason you can't stand a man who puts in a lot of effort as if what he does is evil. Grow up.
im sorry to hear that and from what ive read from multiple ministers and academics is that jesus was crucified for a revolution in favor of the poor and the bible calls on us to do the same.

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i agree food banks are good but i dont think we are limited to just that based on these verses ive quoted from teh bible and from what ive read. if jesus was in favor of a revolution for the poor, we should likewise be in favor.
 

vantexan

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im sorry to hear that and from what ive read from multiple ministers and academics is that jesus was crucified for a revolution in favor of the poor and the bible calls on us to do the same.

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i agree food banks are good but i dont think we are limited to just that based on these verses ive quoted from teh bible and from what ive read. if jesus was in favor of a revolution for the poor, we should likewise be in favor.
Jesus died for everyone, not just the poor. And yes, we work together to help the poor. But that doesn't mean forcing your view on others. Turning everyone's lives upside down.
 

rickyb

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Jesus died for everyone, not just the poor. And yes, we work together to help the poor. But that doesn't mean forcing your view on others. Turning everyone's lives upside down.
He loved everyone but he took sides with the demonized, wuth the poor, with the oppressed

I think based on the quotes from the bible it does say revolution and turning the current order upside down.

You wanted quotes and i found them

Theres nothing limiting justice in christianity to just food banks
 

vantexan

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He loved everyone but he took sides with the demonized, wuth the poor, with the oppressed

I think based on the quotes from the bible it does say revolution and turning the current order upside down.

You wanted quotes and i found them

Theres nothing limiting justice in christianity to just food banks
When did I ever say just limit aid to food banks? Do me a favor. Crack open the Bible and read it. You take verses out of context and twist them. It's not justice to make everyone miserable by using economics that don't work. And Jesus never advocated that.
 

rickyb

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When did I ever say just limit aid to food banks? Do me a favor. Crack open the Bible and read it. You take verses out of context and twist them. It's not justice to make everyone miserable by using economics that don't work. And Jesus never advocated that.
I quoted verses from ministers

Jesus wasnt about maximizing money making

Freeing the prisoners and the oppressed is revolution
 

vantexan

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I quoted verses from ministers

Jesus wasnt about maximizing money making

Freeing the prisoners and the oppressed is revolution
Never said Jesus was about money making. But you can't seem to grasp that a system that allows most people to make a living is a fair and just system.

Another thing you need to realize is when the New Testament talks about visiting prisoners in jail that it was during Roman times and the Romans imprisoned a lot of men unjustly. In no way is it saying that today's convicts must all be set free. Certainly is evidence comes to light that exonerates someone then that person should be freed. But letting hardcore criminals out without serving their earned sentences would not only be unfair to their victims but very dangerous for everyone.
 

rickyb

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Never said Jesus was about money making. But you can't seem to grasp that a system that allows most people to make a living is a fair and just system.

Another thing you need to realize is when the New Testament talks about visiting prisoners in jail that it was during Roman times and the Romans imprisoned a lot of men unjustly. In no way is it saying that today's convicts must all be set free. Certainly is evidence comes to light that exonerates someone then that person should be freed. But letting hardcore criminals out without serving their earned sentences would not only be unfair to their victims but very dangerous for everyone.
this is not a high enough standard.
 

vantexan

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this is not a high enough standard.
Frankly you're stupid. In many developing countries the poverty rates are at 50% or higher. You want some kind of fantasy world but can't point to anywhere on Earth where this is happening. Not talking about your communes in Italy but whole country economic systems. There will never be a system where everyone makes the same and everyone has a voice in how everything is done. You're wasting your time. I know you're going to come right back and say blah, blah, blah. Unfortunately people like you have infested our universities. Now we have idiots graduating who think this is possible. Stupid people who eventually will run everything.
 

rickyb

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Frankly you're stupid. In many developing countries the poverty rates are at 50% or higher. You want some kind of fantasy world but can't point to anywhere on Earth where this is happening. Not talking about your communes in Italy but whole country economic systems. There will never be a system where everyone makes the same and everyone has a voice in how everything is done. You're wasting your time. I know you're going to come right back and say blah, blah, blah. Unfortunately people like you have infested our universities. Now we have idiots graduating who think this is possible. Stupid people who eventually will run everything.
you cant be a christian if you are stupid. for example, if you rip off people by maximizing profits and cant connect that to demonism, then you are too stupid to be a christian. im not saying youre stupid, that would be satanic, but you are old and its holding you back from adopting a belief system that is christian.

jesus was not a capitalist. he was an insurrectionist and revolutionary and he was popular and thats why they killed him.
 

vantexan

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you cant be a christian if you are stupid. for example, if you rip off people by maximizing profits and cant connect that to demonism, then you are too stupid to be a christian. im not saying youre stupid, that would be satanic, but you are old and its holding you back from adopting a belief system that is christian.

jesus was not a capitalist. he was an insurrectionist and revolutionary and he was popular and thats why they killed him.
Tell you what. Next time you go to the supermarket and think these people.are demonic because they make a profit when you buy something, look around. Notice the employees who have jobs. Look at the different products on the shelves. They represent many companies that employ many people to make those products. They employ many truckers that move those products from their facilities to the supermarket warehouses. They pay the taxes from the fuel purchased that help maintain the roads that you enjoy. The supermarket makes it possible for you to purchase the food you eat instead of killing animals and plowing fields yourself. In other words they are providing the goods and services you need and providing jobs doing so. It doesn't just happen by accident. Takes a lot of planning and hard work. A lot of organization. You, as the consumer, are at the end if a long chain of people who want to be paid for their efforts. And it happens this way because most people these days live in cities. Not on farms. You want to demonize them for that? You're on a computer. Computers aren't grown on farms. You drive a car. They don't build them on farms. For most people the best they can hope for is to have a job in a large metro area where everything they need is within easy distance from their home. Is this satanic? Is it demonic? Are people making a profit off providing everything you need evil?

Capitalism has its flaws. It also makes it possible to feed, clothe, and house the most people and has more successfully done so than any other economic system. We have social programs to help those who fall through the cracks of the system. But the system is the priority, not putting everyone on a social program but putting people to work so at the end of the day they can eat and if they are industrious can have nice things of their own. Nice things that don't just happen, but represent people working hard to produce them, providing good jobs. Houses, cars and trucks, RV's, boats, private planes, musical instruments, sporting goods, and many other things that people strive to own. All provide good jobs. It's all interconnected.

But you want all that to come crashing down. You would have millions starving. When you try to control the means of production, when you force everyone to get paid the same, you take away the profit incentive. You take away the freedom to choose how you personally want your life to go. You must obey the state or be put into prison or executed. That's what happened on a large scale with communism. Jesus didn't die on the cross for that. And you are usurping Jesus's message to your own ends. So really, if your actions cause millions to starve, millions more to be desperately poor, just to satisfy your sense of social justice, that we are equally paid and have a say in everything our company does, and strike if we don't get our way, then who truly is evil and satanic and demonic? It's you Ricky and everyone who thinks like you. Go earn your degree and work hard and remember you're part of a great system that is enabling you to have a better life because you earned it, not because you're owed it.
 

oldngray

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Tell you what. Next time you go to the supermarket and think these people.are demonic because they make a profit when you buy something, look around. Notice the employees who have jobs. Look at the different products on the shelves. They represent many companies that employ many people to make those products. They employ many truckers that move those products from their facilities to the supermarket warehouses. They pay the taxes from the fuel purchased that help maintain the roads that you enjoy. The supermarket makes it possible for you to purchase the food you eat instead of killing animals and plowing fields yourself. In other words they are providing the goods and services you need and providing jobs doing so. It doesn't just happen by accident. Takes a lot of planning and hard work. A lot of organization. You, as the consumer, are at the end if a long chain of people who want to be paid for their efforts. And it happens this way because most people these days live in cities. Not on farms. You want to demonize them for that? You're on a computer. Computers aren't grown on farms. You drive a car. They don't build them on farms. For most people the best they can hope for is to have a job in a large metro area where everything they need is within easy distance from their home. Is this satanic? Is it demonic? Are people making a profit off providing everything you need evil?

Capitalism has its flaws. It also makes it possible to feed, clothe, and house the most people and has more successfully done so than any other economic system. We have social programs to help those who fall through the cracks of the system. But the system is the priority, not putting everyone on a social program but putting people to work so at the end of the day they can eat and if they are industrious can have nice things of their own. Nice things that don't just happen, but represent people working hard to produce them, providing good jobs. Houses, cars and trucks, RV's, boats, private planes, musical instruments, sporting goods, and many other things that people strive to own. All provide good jobs. It's all interconnected.

But you want all that to come crashing down. You would have millions starving. When you try to control the means of production, when you force everyone to get paid the same, you take away the profit incentive. You take away the freedom to choose how you personally want your life to go. You must obey the state or be put into prison or executed. That's what happened on a large scale with communism. Jesus didn't die on the cross for that. And you are usurping Jesus's message to your own ends. So really, if your actions cause millions to starve, millions more to be desperately poor, just to satisfy your sense of social justice, that we are equally paid and have a say in everything our company does, and strike if we don't get our way, then who truly is evil and satanic and demonic? It's you Ricky and everyone who thinks like you. Go earn your degree and work hard and remember you're part of a great system that is enabling you to have a better life because you earned it, not because you're owed it.
In price controlled socialist utopias the prices may be low but they also have empty shelves.
 

rickyb

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Tell you what. Next time you go to the supermarket and think these people.are demonic because they make a profit when you buy something, look around. Notice the employees who have jobs. Look at the different products on the shelves. They represent many companies that employ many people to make those products. They employ many truckers that move those products from their facilities to the supermarket warehouses. They pay the taxes from the fuel purchased that help maintain the roads that you enjoy. The supermarket makes it possible for you to purchase the food you eat instead of killing animals and plowing fields yourself. In other words they are providing the goods and services you need and providing jobs doing so. It doesn't just happen by accident. Takes a lot of planning and hard work. A lot of organization. You, as the consumer, are at the end if a long chain of people who want to be paid for their efforts. And it happens this way because most people these days live in cities. Not on farms. You want to demonize them for that? You're on a computer. Computers aren't grown on farms. You drive a car. They don't build them on farms. For most people the best they can hope for is to have a job in a large metro area where everything they need is within easy distance from their home. Is this satanic? Is it demonic? Are people making a profit off providing everything you need evil?

Capitalism has its flaws. It also makes it possible to feed, clothe, and house the most people and has more successfully done so than any other economic system. We have social programs to help those who fall through the cracks of the system. But the system is the priority, not putting everyone on a social program but putting people to work so at the end of the day they can eat and if they are industrious can have nice things of their own. Nice things that don't just happen, but represent people working hard to produce them, providing good jobs. Houses, cars and trucks, RV's, boats, private planes, musical instruments, sporting goods, and many other things that people strive to own. All provide good jobs. It's all interconnected.

But you want all that to come crashing down. You would have millions starving. When you try to control the means of production, when you force everyone to get paid the same, you take away the profit incentive. You take away the freedom to choose how you personally want your life to go. You must obey the state or be put into prison or executed. That's what happened on a large scale with communism. Jesus didn't die on the cross for that. And you are usurping Jesus's message to your own ends. So really, if your actions cause millions to starve, millions more to be desperately poor, just to satisfy your sense of social justice, that we are equally paid and have a say in everything our company does, and strike if we don't get our way, then who truly is evil and satanic and demonic? It's you Ricky and everyone who thinks like you. Go earn your degree and work hard and remember you're part of a great system that is enabling you to have a better life because you earned it, not because you're owed it.
I agree with some of what you said

You said capitalism has flaws. I am sure it is so flawed that jesus would fight against it.

Everyone said jesus was not a capitalist, so if he wasnt hes not gonna support it.

Its up to you to be properly informed about christian economic systems and satanic economic systems. Remember the quote in the bible about the truth. You have to take the truth seriously.
 

vantexan

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I agree with some of what you said

You said capitalism has flaws. I am sure it is so flawed that jesus would fight against it.

Everyone said jesus was not a capitalist, so if he wasnt hes not gonna support it.

Its up to you to be properly informed about christian economic systems and satanic economic systems. Remember the quote in the bible about the truth. You have to take the truth seriously.
Show me the Christian economic system outlined in the New Testament.
 

rickyb

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Show me the Christian economic system outlined in the New Testament.
debt forgiveness


Rather, be openhanded and freely lend them whatever they need.

sounds like communism

theres 2 more passages Isaiah 58 and Matthew 25 which i will quote for you
 

vantexan

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debt forgiveness


Rather, be openhanded and freely lend them whatever they need.

sounds like communism

theres 2 more passages Isaiah 58 and Matthew 25 which i will quote for you
You right off the bat show a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity. You quoted Jewish law from the Old Testament. Christians are under the New Testament.

And that didn't sound anything like communism. The communists didn't freely do anything. Everything came with strings. Strings pulled by a centralized government. And one principle doesn't make an entire economic system.
 

rickyb

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You right off the bat show a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity. You quoted Jewish law from the Old Testament. Christians are under the New Testament.

And that didn't sound anything like communism. The communists didn't freely do anything. Everything came with strings. Strings pulled by a centralized government. And one principle doesn't make an entire economic system.
free lending is what many people call communism
 
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