UPS laying off Technical hourly employees

brown_is_an_ugly_color said:
I feel i am as honest as they come however i think i could be accused of integrity issues when it comes to pmt. I really feel like I am in a no win situation. You either make up something for PMT and have integrity issues or you do it honestly and don't have the right numbers.:bored:


I have never been this unhappy in my life and it is due entirely to this job. Friday afternoons I start dreading monday mornings. No way to live.

Man, I really need to stop coming back to this site. It's depressing to hear how tough it's getting for the ones who stayed. I quit UPS a few months ago when this whole deal first started. Best move I could have made considering how management mis-handled the situation.

This is Marcos Lopez by the way. Ex Orlando TSC tech.

There is life after brown. If you can't quit right away, start looking for another job and then put in your two weeks when you find a good one. Don't listen when they tell you that you can't make better money or get better benefits outside of UPS. You can, and you will.

Life is too short to be putting up with a buch of :censored2:s on a power trip.
 
Rainman1 said:
What limitations have you heard of? In the six migrations I have done, I have not seen any limitaion compared to what we were capable of doing before. Two major differences: the inability to connect via NetOp, which is no great loss, and disaster recovery is handled via ghost image. I think it is pretty clear that, if server recovery is handled by ghost image, eventually they will not need a technician to recover a server. What is not generally announced is that all print queues will be moved to the LOEPS and will be managable by CTSG via scripts. If the LOEPS dies, the print queues get moved to the LOEMR. There are also rumors of either a database server being put in place and the databases moved from the LOEIS, or, the databases being moved to the LOEPS.


Yes, you are correct. I did not see limitations either. I will say that the no NetOp thing sucks. The terminal session does not execute all programs well, and can actually hose things under some circumstances. Also, most techs seems to find the additional prompt to put in a reason for reboot both redundant (same as an SMA) and demeaning.

I had not heard about moving the print queues.






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Rainman1

Member
You should be receiving an LOEPS, LOE Print Server, soon. A number of sites in 0671 have received the servers, but no one has seen any documentation for it. For the restart prompt, either bypass it via command line or select anything aside from "Other" in the lower section of the shutdown dialog.
 

feduptsg

Member
Don't know if you guys have heard but pretty soon the UPS Stores that we(TSG) installed all the POS software and hardware at will be going to an outsourced company(Netfor) for all of their IT needs. We will no longer provide any TSG help for the UPS Stores after June of this year. You guys tell me how long before these Netfor guys will be training on our internal apps of maybe they will make us Netfor employees.
 

pa59emt

Member
Fedup,
Not sure that this is anything new, or related to the TSG RIF. Sounds like Netfor has been servicing these stores for a long time. Found this on their website http://www.netfor.com/ :
On Site Support

Mail Boxes Etc. and The UPS Store

Mail Boxes Etc. approached us back in 1999 about managing deployment efforts for their nationwide network of more than 3400 stores. They chose us because of our extensive network of field service technicians located in all 50 states and Puerto Rico. Our service contract consists of opening over 400 stores as well as configuring and deploying more than 1200 systems annually. Our field service technicians install the hardware and one our off site technician completes the deployment by configuring and testing the system remotely. In 2001 Mail Boxes Etc. was re-branded as The UPS Store. We continue to provide dependable deployment services and as the exclusive on site vendor of The UPS Store now provide system inventory and data migration services. Netfor's support services have saved Mail Boxes Etc. and The UPS Store more than $500,000 annually. In April of 2001, Mail Boxes Etc. awarded Netfor with its prestigious Vendor of the Year award for 2000. "
 

ups_tech

Member
I bet the next round is firing due to integrity...

"Integrity" is the biggest scam going at UPS. Its a term used by a bunch of people (management) that don't even understand the concept in the simplest of terms. Along this line I would suspect the next excuse for firings is the general poor performance of TSG. Management is not likely to appreciate that you can't greatly reduce staff, reduce moral even more, and not destroy productivity.


Kristopher
 

pdx1tjl

Member
I may have said this before but if you are a reasonable minded TSG guy please listen. This will be life changing advise

UPS grinds into you that are worthless. UPS demeans you as a human being by its pure nature. Each and every person I know who got laid off or took the buy out have much higher paying IT jobs now and are infinitely happier period. Their jobs may have more responsibility however that’s is nothing compared to being demeaned as a human being at UPS. Start looking for jobs out there now, it may take a while to find that good job but keep looking.

Leaving UPS will change your life for the better. period...


I have one friend who after 12ish years at UPS took the buy out. He is going back to school. At UPS, I swear he was on the verge of “going postal”... I visited him a month ago after leaving UPS several months, he was a new man, his humor was back, the epic depression I think he was in was cleared up…
Life changing…

I got a 10% raise this year at my new job. If you took my last 2 raises at ups.. 1.8% and 2%... It would take me like 6-7 years to get that at Ups. No more BS about the economy or “above midpoint”…

 

SeniorGeek

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pdx1tjl said:
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I cut the text, since I was quoting such a recent post from pdx1tjl, which you can read above.

For those with technical skills and knowledge, I second what he says - start looking, and work on adding certifications. I found a lot of demand for technical knowledge in the job market. Certifications will help you get past HR screening, and UPS experience looks good in your work history. (Most people have the impression that UPS has it all figured out....)

I had become complacent at UPS - to the point that I had calculated another 18 years to survive until retirement. The key word: "survive". I had become complacent, just doing as directed. I found that hard work and excellent reviews earned me raises of less than 3%. Turning down my level-of-effort to "cruise" still got me about 2%.

My new job is just as stressful - but the stress is manageable because I can find my way through to solutions. At UPS, the stress was usually due to conflicts beyond my control. Overall, the stress level is similar to what I had at UPS, but I get 45% more money for it. (Benefits are not as good. I miss 6.8 weeks of PTO per year. It was going to be 7.8 weeks in 2007!)
 
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TSG?????

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Anyone in TSG get more then a 3 or 4 % raise this year? Not counting your first two year raises? Any more word what they plan on doing with TSG? Are we back to running smooth again?
 
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WPN2RXL

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First off, I am not here to bash UPS or the decision to cut technical employees. Since leaving UPS and seeing the capability of today's technology, I actually see the decision as a good business decision. The reason for my post is for the people in TSG that have left, are still there or are going to be forced out soon. Don't panic. I have 2 young daughters and a wife that mostly stays home with them so I felt a ton of despair when I heard the news back in January of the cutbacks. I was worried about the mortgage, car payments, food, etc. as most of you were or are.

I left UPS at the end of February and started a new job a few days afterwards. I work for a company that provides all facets of network and computer services to schools and businesses. I started out making slightly more than I was making at UPS, and have already received two raises BASED ON MERIT AND PERFORMANCE (both of which were more than the 2-3% UPS gives). Plus I will get a bonus in September and another in Decemeber based on how well the company does. Most of the time I work 6 to 8 hours a day, however there have been a few 10-12 hour days, but just a few. The best part is that I show up to do a job and when it's done, I am done. No PMT, no HDFS. I just call the office and tell the office manager that I am done and they bill the company.

If you are being forced out or choose to leave UPS, there is a job out there for you. Keep sending out resumes and keep looking. You will find something and chances are you will be a lot happier. Good luck.
 
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TechMonkey

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I guess I am the exception...

I left during the downsizing/buyout. Everyone, including me, thought I would land a job immediately. I didn't. Of course, I didn't try for the first 2 or 3 months.

During all the downsizing discussions, the folks in my district learned just how little we earned compared to technicians in other districts/regions. Perhaps, it could be due to our cost of living -- maybe it is lower, thus garnering lower wages.

Anyway, I have yet to be offered a job where the wage or salary(calculated) equals what I earned at UPS. I have yet to read a post where a former technician hasn't made more, substantially more. Please tell me what area you live in, I'm interested in relocating -- half LOL, half serious.

I have a college degree, over 6 industry certifications, over 10 years experience, no felonies or misdemeanors, I present nice in a suit, and I have good written and verbal communications skills. I keep getting offers for $35 to $40k. The headhunters and others keep reporting that I have rock-solid skills -- rock-solid general skills. They keep harping about the specific technology skills.

I don't doubt that others are doing great, but I wonder what the job market is like in your area. It is tight in my area. I interviewed for a job last week where 32 people had face-to-face interviews -- this is after sifting out the others by just reading through the resumes/applications. Another job I applied for had over 70 applicants. In my area, you'd better be a programmer proficient in 3 or more languages and with 5 to 10 years experience, OR, you had better have LINUX with 5 or more years experience, OR, you had better have been a Microsoft Engineer or AD administrator (full-time for 5 years). And when they say engineer and administrator, they don't mean installing a PAS workstation and putting the user in the PASSUPERGROUP or whatever group that was. What they mean is every day of the working week experience, all day. You can't swap Eltrons and reinstall WS 8 and call yourself an engineer or administrator.

By the way, I didn't say the above to put-down or beat-up you guys. I was there. I am trying to overcome all this. It ain't easy.

Luckily for me, it appears that I am starting to get some really good interviews that could provide jobs at or above where I was at UPS.

If you want to leave UPS, start today. No, don't quit, but get your mind and resume in order. Apply for every reasonable IT job in your area. Don't worry, if you don't meet their qualifications, they'll know, and throw your resume in the trash. If you get an interview, don't lie. Most of the interviews I have had are conducted by panels of management and technicians. They will quiz you and make you look like an :censored2: if you try to embellish or flat-out lie.

Interestingly, almost no job I apply for do I have all the qualifications. More interesting, most employers know this, and are looking for as many qualifications they can, along with an employee who has the look and personality they want. What I am saying is,... don't sell yourself short, apply, apply, apply. The companies look for a 10, and will settle for cute 6 fixer-upper. Remind any of you of your own life? They know you don't have everything, but dream of it, just the same. A lot of times, they are just looking for a reasonable fit with potential.

If you want to leave, apply every week for every reasonable job. If this seems like too much trouble or the scheduling will be difficult, ...you still aren't ready to leave UPS -- go back to griping daily, but doing nothing about it.

Lastly, to all of the technicians who have some certifications, or are their management's go-to-guy, or are the big Senior Tech-on-Campus, don't take yourself so seriously. What I, and others, have discovered is that UPS provides almost no useable skills (beyond rock-solid general) to land a really good job. You already have good time-off, benefits, retirement, 401k, and pay. If you just want to replace UPS with another company and the same compensation, it can be done, but you need to make your looking/searching a new part-time job. If you want to do even better, your 8-hour UPS-day's worth of skill-building ain't gonna cut it. You might look into doing some part-time work with a contract or temp technology recruiter in your area.

Sorry for the doom and gloom. I just couldn't read another post about former UPS technicians conquering the world without giving one man's experience, along with some advice for those still looking to leave.

Oh, if this means anything at all, I don't regret leaving for a minute.
 

Mustang

Member
TechMonkey said:
During all the downsizing discussions, the folks in my district learned just how little we earned compared to technicians in other districts/regions. Perhaps, it could be due to our cost of living -- maybe it is lower, thus garnering lower wages.

Anyway, I have yet to be offered a job where the wage or salary(calculated) equals what I earned at UPS. I have yet to read a post where a former technician hasn't made more, substantially more. Please tell me what area you live in, I'm interested in relocating -- half LOL, half serious.

Wondering where you live..... Not only state but size of city. I have found the pay scale is better the larger the city (even in a lower cost of living area), but there are more people who can do what you do.... as in, there are so many technical schools churning out folks with the same paper.

For those still employeed by UPS, if you are interested in programming, you need to check corporate for jobs there. They are currently hiring. Involves phone interview, if you pass that, they will pay for you to fly to Jersey and do a live interview. If you are selected, you will attend their training class (heard it's anywhere from 6 - 12 weeks) and then will be offered a location to transfer. All are corporate so it will be Jersey or Georgia.

My understanding is that this is the only other job that TSC is allowed to transfer to that isn't being promoted to mgmt within the district / region or going to TSG. Some of the remaining TSC's already have individuals in this program.
 
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ups tsg guy

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hey, im hearing that another round of cuts could happen? anybody have any news? or should I blow this rumor off..? I dont know about u guys but I am very busy. I dont know how they can cut any more people
 
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Outsource

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ups tsg guy said:
hey, im hearing that another round of cuts could happen? anybody have any news? or should I blow this rumor off..? I dont know about u guys but I am very busy. I dont know how they can cut any more people
Easy, same as the TSC. Cut full time employees and outsource. That is the current trend in the industry and I am d@mn glad I work for an outsourcing company. :)
 
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Brown circuit

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Our management already said if we do got make the numbers in PMT we can see more cuts
 

dablues

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ups tsg guy said:
hey, im hearing that another round of cuts could happen? anybody have any news? or should I blow this rumor off..? I dont know about u guys but I am very busy. I dont know how they can cut any more people

I say bring it on. Less workers, help desks becoming call centers and desktop icons to open logs that bypass the helpdesks creating more logs then before the first round of layoffs. I don't believe district management wants this. I'm not even sure region does. But someone in corp looking for a big bonus does. I believe not all TSG will disappear but those they keep will become specialists. No overtime and no bonus.
 

Deeohem

Well-Known Member
I think we'll see more cuts. Corp destroyed the TSCs, but they still see the districts as fat. I don't know if next year's round of cuts will be as hugs as this years was, but it will be there. and even if we don't have rounds of cuts, district managers are being told not to hire and encourage all the promotions and laterals they can. This reduction will continue until missing SLA becomes the norm company wide for all projects and service orders.
 

TSCer

Member
All you techs should grab your balls and quit that dump. It is a mindless do nothing, know nothing, dead end job. If you have any self respect start looking now. Competition out there is fierce so the sooner you start putting your resume out the sooner you will get something better. Just lie your ass off about what you did because if you tell the truth you'll never get hired.
 
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